I want to be able to spray like a 100 or 125 or even a 150 shot. I was going to buy brand new "stock" pistons, performance rings, and the eagle rods for a 97 2.2. Plus like all new bearings for the crank and rods (duh) but I will also be getting the MSD DIS2. You think Id be ok? Forged pistons are so freakin expensive for our cars.
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So "freakin" expensive and so "freakin" worth it.....
Before I up the juice to around those levels i'll make sure I have everything needed to feel safe about it......I'd also get some head work done if I were you so its not so much stress building up within the engine. That's honestly the reason why I think my car is taking the 75shot shot so smoothly.
G*luck and post the results.......If you blow your motor give me a good run down of everything that was installed and of everything that went wrong. I'd also grab a wideband o2 just so you can keep an accurate eye out on things! Later!
N2O + Bolt-ons
= 220Hp/
250Tq
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Plan on doing this as well. Direct Porting.....
Jamal.. I got another question for you I think I saw on your registry that you have stock exhaust except muffler?Is this right? I know on your video your car sounded mean as hell. I bet the P& P and tb helped that though....
On Zex Dry Shot with 55 jets.....
When my motor blew. It when down on me over time. Experienced blow-by for almost a month before it finally gave out. Guess ran too low of oil. Pistons one and two shown damage to the tops of them. Rings were completely gone. Cylinders 3 and 4 were fine.
I have heard people talk trash about the zex plugs. So I am going to try the ever so popular NGK's... Get some fuel upgrades and try and try again.
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well zex............a 100 + shot on a cavy might work with upgraded rods only......i know that on the ecotec if i remember right the rods were the weak link.......however running that much nitrous on stock pistons......i woldn't trust them... and besides if you already have the engine apart for the rods.......why not just put in good pistons....sure they cost more, but isn't the peace of mind worht it??
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zex cavy wrote:I was going to buy brand new "stock" pistons, performance rings
zex cavy wrote:Forged pistons are so freakin expensive for our cars.
bballjamal wrote:So "freakin" expensive and so "freakin" worth it.....
Jamal is right, it's worth it.
You're making a mistake in putting in stock pistons and wanting to run a high shot of 100 or 125 shot of nitrous. Nitrous gives your pistons a huge pounding and really that's the most effected part that could get damaged (or more likely to get damaged). By doing this, your asking to pretty much fry your pistons after a short while.
Also you have to realize that it's not as simple as hooking up a nitrous kit and setting it up to a 100 shot and calling it the day. You need to worry about your spark plugs, fuel consumption (more so if you have a dry shot), ignition timing and for the fact that you might have traction issues.
If you're going to rip open your motor anyways, why not put High quality parts in? Seriously, Forged pistons are not expensive...they go for around $400 for 4 forged pistons and around $300 or so for 4 forged eagle rods. Find out what compression pistons you want depending if you want stay all motor or run boost in the future, whatever.
Daniel Boyd wrote:On Zex Dry Shot with 55 jets.....
When my motor blew. It when down on me over time.
Did you supply it with more fuel? If not, you probably detonated real bad and caused some good amounts of damage.
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H O N D A, oh how well love it when we smokin V8s, all day, every day, it dont stop, Im rolling in my Honda like Im running from the cops.
BUT Now you know, cause you're Jon Doe, in a black bag, a tag on your toe, I built the Honda, I felt the pain, you're victimized with no one to blame, you're just another victim kid.....
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That's an ignorant statement at an inapropriate time when he's trying to offer help. If you actually go to that link it offers very useful information and is somewhat an FAQ to new people with nitrous.
Next time, put more thought behind your statements...
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NJHK...
Where did you find those pistons for so cheap? I have never saw them anywhere that low
I did not suppy the car with more fuel as I was under the impression that Zex never ran too rich or too lean. Bad rookie mistake. Yes quite severe detonation.
I plan on customizing the B&M FPR for my fuel rail and also getting the gauge to go with it.
Also possibly MSD Fuel Pump booster or MSD Inline Pump..
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Daniel Boyd wrote:Where did you find those pistons for so cheap? I have never saw them anywhere that low
I was off a bit...by $75-100. I know when I was doing research for the ECOTEC pistons and where to find them, I found some...here are some general prices:
Wiseco Forged Steel Pistons - $596.00 (a bit much)
Wiseco Forged Steel Pistons - $475 Free shipping
It really depends on where you order it from...
Daniel Boyd wrote:I did not suppy the car with more fuel as I was under the impression that Zex never ran too rich or too lean. Bad rookie mistake.
I was assuming you used a dry shot, not a wet shot. With a wet shot it supplies fuel with the nitrous. I believe you probably detonated because your motor could only handle so much nitrous on stock internals (that's what I'm assuming).
Daniel Boyd wrote:I plan on customizing the B&M FPR for my fuel rail and also getting the gauge to go with it.
If I were you, I'd invest in an Fuel Management system (Piggyback system) for fuel adjustment. Look into an Apexi SAFC-2 or an Greddy E-manage. I would suggest you getting your car dyno tuned and see if you are running lean while spraying to prevent this from happening again to your motor in the future. Remember fuel might not have been your issue...it might have just been too high of a shot for your motor at the time.
Daniel Boyd wrote:Also possibly MSD Fuel Pump booster or MSD Inline Pump..
Very good idea.
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Daniel Boyd wrote:NHJK...
Would the fuel pump booster do the same job as the e-manage? So you do not think it was an issue will fuel?
The fuel pump and e-manage work differently.
The fuel pump would increase the efficiency of fuel delivery. Remember, your stuck fuel pump can only pump so much fuel. The E-manage manipulates the computer and takes control of your fuel injectors. It pretty much tricks it into sending more or less fuel from your injectors into your motor.
It could have been a fuel issue, I really don't know but anything is possible. I wasn't there when it happened...
Since you now have learned what nitrous can do if not done right, it's best to take all pre-cautions and get everything that you can to monitor your vehicle while spraying like a bottle pressure gauge, bottle warmer, piggy-back system, fuel pump, a/f ratio gauge etc.
The more prepared you are, the better.
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NJHK...
No I do not mean an aftermarket fuel pump I mean a booster. A device that is suppose to increase voltage to the pump when increased air is present in the manifold. ..
I assume that is pretty much the same as the e-manage I assume? And I am sure the booster is a hell of a lot cheaper than the e-manage. The booster is probably half the price of the e-manage. Unless you get a deal on it somewhere...
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Daniel Boyd wrote:No I do not mean an aftermarket fuel pump I mean a booster.
I don't think I have ever heard of this product...if you can show me a link or something I'll check it out.
Daniel Boyd wrote:I assume that is pretty much the same as the e-manage I assume? And I am sure the booster is a hell of a lot cheaper than the e-manage. The booster is probably half the price of the e-manage.
From the sounds of it they are 2 completely different things.
An e-manage is controlled by Laptop (or you can buy their monitor device). You adjust how much fuel you want for what RPM and like said before, it connects to your computer (PCM) and tricks it to sending more or less fuel from your injectors, not your fuel pump. The e-manage is a decent price because you have control over fuel AND ignition timing (and some cars you can get rid of the rev limiter I believe).
If you can't afford an E-manage and a laptop, you can check out Apexi's SAFC-2 (I personally have it and love it). They go for around $250-300 depending on where you get it and is a small device. Here are some pictures of what it looks like:
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If you have anymore questions, just ask.
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And by the way, the SAFC-2 ONLY controls your fuel, NOT your ignition timing.
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Yeah a buddy of mine has one for his GST Eclipse. It is a very nice thing to have. But as you said it is worth it every precaution is better to take than to replace the engine.
Can you give me a link to a place that sells it for that price?
The Fuel Pump Booster I am looking to buy is from Gravanatuning.com...I was wanting to get some info on it by someone using it on a j rather than being a guinea pig.
In the end I just might go with the wet kit or the direct port.. Don't actually know yet
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Daniel Boyd wrote:Can you give me a link to a place that sells it for that price?
You can find them easy on Ebay...just look for a reputable seller.
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Daniel Boyd wrote:Plan on doing this as well. Direct Porting.....
Jamal.. I got another question for you I think I saw on your registry that you have stock exhaust except muffler?Is this right? I know on your video your car sounded mean as hell. I bet the P& P and tb helped that though....
On Zex Dry Shot with 55 jets.....
When my motor blew. It when down on me over time. Experienced blow-by for almost a month before it finally gave out. Guess ran too low of oil. Pistons one and two shown damage to the tops of them. Rings were completely gone. Cylinders 3 and 4 were fine.
I have heard people talk trash about the zex plugs. So I am going to try the ever so popular NGK's... Get some fuel upgrades and try and try again.
My exhaust
stock exhaust mani--->stock downpipe + flexpipe--> resonator cut out and replaced with 2-1/4 piping-->stock car-->2-1/4 piping-->Tsudo muffler
I want a header+ downpipe so so bad because all the exhaust work i've done is really doing me no good, but of course noise. Also the engine didn't sound that mean until that PnP and Dremeling on the TB. I've seriously heard no other J-body sound like mine except for one with a cam(s) and port work. I'm actually scared to grab that header + down because I know it'll allow way more exhaust to get through and I have no idea what that's going to do to my exhaust note. Tsudo does design their mufflers to adjust for that type of stuff (the more air they get the more borely they get) but I don't know for sure.
Go ahead and grab the NGK Tr6's. Its best to run witha plug you hear multiple others with the same vehicle as you also run. I'm stepping up to the Tr71x's as I said before for the N2o build up but I'm satisfied on the Tr6's so far.
Just for Shizz and Giggles
This is basically what I think a 2.2/2200 needs to get to handle certain amounts of power from nitrous, and is basically what I'm going for.
50shot
Tr6 plugs
89+ oct
75shot
MSD DIS-II (retard -2)
91+ oct
85-100shot
10:1 forged pistons
Eagle H-beam rods
Copper head gasket
Walbro Fuel pump
Retard -4
125-150shot
NGK Tr71x plugs
Progressive Controller
(LEAVING FOR AIRPORT-----WILL FINISH LATER)
N2O + Bolt-ons
= 220Hp/
250Tq
Coming Soon:HpTunersPro, EagleConnectingRods, WiescoPistons, 13sec2200
