I have a 96 2.2 cavalier turbo with a 5 speed, and I now have a 3500 out of a saturn relay. I have decided to swap a 3400 just to get that far, then build the 3500 and turbo that(I like braking axles, its fun) but here is my Question, what parts do I need for the fly wheel, clutch, and so on, to mait the 3400 to the 2.2 trans. thanks

ask nitrous nate he just got his done and still tuning

Bah this has been discussed over and over. There are about 5 threads on it and a sticky at the top of the page non the less.

2.2 trans clutch and flywheel.

my car used to have a 2200 but swapped it out for a 3400 heres a couple links that will help you out

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=30&i=40670&t=40670

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=30&i=33041&t=33041

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=30&i=41608&t=41608#41608

your factory 2.2 flywheel should work. but i would go with a stronger clutch for a 2.2 tranny aswell. those 2 links have tons of information. just start at the begining and read through and it should answer alot of your questions




My 3400 Swap Page

Yeah, it's in there quite a bit. Even in the sticky I do believe.

However on the 3400 part. If you plan on running the OBD-II computer with the 3400 that's all fine and good, but you'll have to rule out swapping it to the 3500 later on. Only way will be to use a 3500 PCM which I don't think anyone has the ability to tune (I could be wrong).

Reason is, on the 3400 you have a 7x Crank sensor. Then you have a 24x sensor that's inside the crank pulley. On the 3500 you have a 52x sensor on the crankshaft. In order to get something that wants the 7x input to work with the 3500, you have to get the TCE external crank trigger which goes around the crank pulley area. But then you won't be able to have the 24x sensor.

Also, you won't be breaking axles. You'll go through lots of transmissions, but your axles will probably be ok.

thanks Iread the sticky but didnt remember seeing the clutch info. I plan on runing the megasquirt controler and I have a plan on how to make the 3500 crank have a 7x wheel. but ill let u all know that when it happens

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thanks Iread the sticky but didnt remember seeing the clutch info.

Use a clutch that matches the flywheel.

In other words, your 2.2 clutch will work (maybe not for long, but will work)

Master Tech huh?


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charles Geibe wrote:thanks Iread the sticky but didnt remember seeing the clutch info. I plan on runing the megasquirt controler and I have a plan on how to make the 3500 crank have a 7x wheel. but ill let u all know that when it happens

A plan eh? What's that plan if I may ask?

The TCE external trigger works quite well and has been used in 3500 swaps with OBD-I cars.

nitrous nate, are you getting lippy? I was just asking a question, and to answer you, yes I am a master tech, and machinist. I have been top tech at the last 3 shops I have been at, but that has nothing to do with wanting to do this swap in a short amount of time.I am not on here to brag or to say I know it all, if that were the case I wouldn't be on here. smart comments are a waist of time and fill these forums up, so it takes longer to read them. So far there has been a lot of great info and I thank the people that take the time to answer my questions.
and nate I commend you on doing the swap, but I don't have a lot of money, and cant have allot of down time so any suggestions would be great

As for the crank I am planing on welding up the wheel and copying a 3400 wheel on it, I did it to a ford crank when i worked at the Tri-Star Engine Supply, for a friend, who was running DFI. and it worked perfectly.

For a Master Tech you should educate yourself better.

You can use the external trigger that I mentioned. The reluctor wheel can be pressed on/off of the crankshaft, however with the 3500 crank you're going to be having a clearance issue. Seriously, the TCE trigger is better for this. It saves you a lot of time and money. It also gives you adjustability that you wont be seeing on an internal trigger. Theres no fabrication required to make it work.

And don't get mad when people knock on whatever you do for a living. You actually are making it sound more like BS the more you talk. Let me put it to you this way, every newbie that comes here has a wonderful awesome high paying job..... yet, drives a Cavalier. Seriously, if you have a good job making a lot of money what are you doing driving a j-body? And then being a master tech and machinist, you could figure out how to do the swap by simply reading and should never need to ask a question, instead you want us to spoon feed everything to you like a baby.

Just saying, the evidence speaks for itself. Either you're not a master tech and machinist, or B) some people make some unwise decisions in letting you work on their @!#$.

ok "forklift driver", and I do have a great paying job, but I have 2 kids, a wife and a expencive house to pay for.


[For a Master Tech you should educate yourself better]...................The best way to find info is to ask some one who has done it before. that isthe most intelagent way.

this is the last time i am going to post on this thread, im not going to argue with a cople of kids. and we are all f*** up for building GMs slowest car.

wow chill out

Theres plenty of info in this section of the forms. I have asked countless questions to everyone on here that has done this swap about how to go about it. Once you start to dig into it its not as bad as I thought.

If you have access to alldata or Mitchell get the PCM pinouts and connector pinouts that will greatly help.

Alot of the wires are the same color too and the same circuit number for both motors.


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Geo metro ftw!!!

charles Geibe wrote:ok "forklift driver", and I do have a great paying job, but I have 2 kids, a wife and a expencive house to pay for.


[For a Master Tech you should educate yourself better]...................The best way to find info is to ask some one who has done it before. that isthe most intelagent way.

this is the last time i am going to post on this thread, im not going to argue with a cople of kids. and we are all f*** up for building GMs slowest car.

ROFL..... "forklift driver".

That's from forever ago. But anyways, I was one of the first people that had a running 3400 swap in a 3rd gen car. Back in the day we actually had to sift through vehicles, part numbers, other swaps in similar vehicles, and the whole bit. NOW that we have all gotten all this information it's been posted several times and asked over and over and over. So this is NOT a case of "the most intelligent way being to ask" but being a case of "i'm to lazy to click a link to a thread that's already started" In fact all your answers would be taken care of if you'd have looked at the several posts already about the issue.

All you had to do was read.

By the way, while we all point out what's in each others' profiles. If your dream car is an 04 Cavalier with an 800hp ECOTEC, why are you wanting to do a V6 swap?

charles Geibe wrote:...this is the last time i am going to post on this thread, im not going to argue with a cople of kids...

"Cople" of kids. LMAO. Dude, you're 26.

The above digs at your "master tech" status were because your questions clearly indicate you don't have a lot of knowledge about the engines you're dealing with, and also don't seem to have any idea on how to find info for yourself. A master tech has plenty of tools at their disposal for figuring stuff like this out. Seriously, you asked about the clutch, and clearly indicated that you've read the sticky. If you have, you will see that the transmission is addressed. Yes, it does not mention the clutch itself, but if you have the background you claim to have, you would be able to figure out what clutch would work.

You need to chill out and learn to research things. As SHOoff stated, a couple of years ago, there wasn't much info available on swapping the 60 degree engines into the 3rd gen J-body cars, but we researched it. I spent a year digging through manuals and parts lists, and actually going to salvage yards that would let me poke through the yard, and took measurements off of things, and then compiled a list of what I needed, and started acquiring. The engine was actually one of the later items I purchased. It seems that since those of us who have done the research have posted our findings, everyone wants the swap handed to them. Not going to happen. If you can't figure out a few things yourself, you shouldn't be doing this kind of swap.

I figured id get some attention with that post. I just am not good at searching on forums, this is the first one I have belonged to. and your right I forgot about the metro....icky

Nitrous nate is your car the one that has all the vidios on youtube on the dyno. looks good.

all kidding aside you all have impressive cars and should be proud of them. a v6 swap is a great achievement!!!!!

sory if i steped on any feet

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sory if i steped on any feet

Its all good. I'll be the first to admit that at times it is difficult to find things on JBO (hense the reason I have 300 or so bookmarks with various threads).

But between the sticky and the 50 some-odd page thread, most of the answers are there. Its when it gets down to the specifics (which wire does what..... ahem, Nate) is where the different paths everyone took come into play.

Best bet, line up the major components first (engine, PCM/Standalone, harness, mounts), then go from there. Review the sticky to see which mount option would be best for you.

charles Geibe wrote:I figured id get some attention with that post. I just am not good at searching on forums, this is the first one I have belonged to. and your right I forgot about the metro....icky

Nitrous nate is your car the one that has all the vidios on youtube on the dyno. looks good.

all kidding aside you all have impressive cars and should be proud of them. a v6 swap is a great achievement!!!!!

sory if i steped on any feet

Don't worry about it man. Water under the bridge.

Just work on trying to research things a bit before just asking on here.
Also, being new, getting touchy and going off on people who have been around here for a long time just starts digging a hole.

We're all here to help, but don't always tend to put up with a hell of a lot.

hay thanks guys I think I got off on the wrong foot, if youguys need anything let me know, I do have access to Alldata, Mitchell. I have the equipment to powder coat, I have a tig welder, and a bridgeport that will be up and running in a feiw months.......and after my wife finishes school im buying a dynodynamics Chassis dyno.

I try to read the 50+ page thread from beginning to end avery 3-4 weeks, seems everytime I read I pick up on something I've missed all the times before.

Michael Antle wrote:I try to read the 50+ page thread from beginning to end avery 3-4 weeks, seems everytime I read I pick up on something I've missed all the times before.

You could always print it...

heh, if you got 5 or 6 extra ink cartridges laying around.