You know at times this forum is really great, And other times it sucks. The amount of argueing and wise a## remarks on here is rediculus. And none of it is necessary. I often ask for advice and i often get good advice, But then argueing starts between two giving advice. I just want to hide under a rock.
If I try to give advice, I get people responding to my advice to someone else as if I havent got a clue. I wont respond if I dont have any idea what the possible solution to the problem would be, I am a mechanic 6 days a week for the last 15 years, I know what not to give advice about. Look I know that there are many different approaches to a problem and giving advice over the net about something that is described to by the person needing help, is most of the time useless. Simply because they are not mechanics nor know what to look or listen for. Most of all, If the problem isnt right in front of me or you, you cant be 100% of the fix.
So what Im getting at is most of what advice is given is merely a suggestion for the problem. There is no wrong way to fix a problem as long as the end results remain the same and no one gets injured. So lets not argue about who has the best advice, and just help each other with our J's.
I will more than likely will get criticised severely for leaving this but I think it has to be said.
If you have encountered argueing and advice bashing in your thread please respond.
01 cav w/01 3400 gam gt 4t45e
There's a lot to what you say. One thing I never understand is how newbies are sometimes treated here. Okay, maybe they ask a question that has been asked a few times before. They're noobs. That's what they do. If you think it's a dumb or repetitive question, why not just gently refer them to the appropriate FAQ or if that's too much trouble, then just ignore them. Don't trash them for being unfamiliar with the org.
Also, as you mentioned troubleshooting advice... I participate in several automotive maintenance forums for various cars. Trying to help someone find a difficult problem can be pretty useless at times, maybe even counter-productive. I think the best we can hope for is that the problem is accurately described and that someone can get the poster started in the right direction. The times it really works well is when the problem is a common failure and other members have had the exact same problem. Then it's a slam dunk.
But we all need to remember that none of us knows it all. I have been working on my own cars for many years and just like any other technology, the more I learn, the more I realize how little I really know.
Lee your right on the money about the newbie posts and the troubleshooting. Every day is a learning experience especially working on cars. Even with what appears to be a common problem, may actually be an odd ball that will have you pulling out your hair.
01 cav w/01 3400 gam gt 4t45e
Everyone was a newbie once.
But at the same time.... some people dont realize where their place is on the 'food chain' This is why you got people offering blatantly stupid advice to contradict what you just said, and probably have first hand expeirence with. One problem I think is in regard to newbies, it seems that a lot of people in the world just expect @!#$ to be GIVEN to them. And dont want to make any effort to help their own selves.
SHOoff wrote:Everyone was a newbie once....One problem I think is in regard to newbies, it seems that a lot of people in the world just expect @!#$ to be GIVEN to them. And dont want to make any effort to help their own selves.
That in itself is the man problem.
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I have encountered alot of argument problems on here, and I started 1 or 2 I will admit.. I have been a member here for a little while now, probably still a n00b in most of the senior members eyes, but what I hate is that when I ask a question, it gets little response, or people just tell me to search. Sure, search does work.. but it never answers all of my questions. Like I have asked one question 2 or 3 different times on here, with no respose, and I have no solution to the problem still.
The biggest problem here, is there are people here who actually know, and people that think they know.. so you get people arguing about what they think is right, and it leaves you absolutely clueless on who to believe and what to do.
This forum just has too many damn members to try and get answers to questions. I rarely come here to ask a question about my J anymore, I just come here to try and help others with the knowledge that I have.. pretty sad that I can't ask a J-body specific question on a J-body site.. because there is so much damn arguing, it's almost as if there are a bunch of middle school kids on here.
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not our fault you cant figure out the answer. the search button is great. ive never had a problem with it and it works great. its much better then the search feature on the 2nd gen integra forum. once you been here long enough you just start to know who is right and who is wrong. its easy to find out who is right and who is wrong. i dunno i never have a problem finding an answer or getting one when i need it
[quote=ßãggéÐÇåv98 (Ûñqùðtäߣè Øñé)]not our fault you cant figure out the answer. the search button is great. ive never had a problem with it and it works great. its much better then the search feature on the 2nd gen integra forum. once you been here long enough you just start to know who is right and who is wrong. its easy to find out who is right and who is wrong. i dunno i never have a problem finding an answer or getting one when i need it
Most of the threads consist of bitching and bickering, or are nothing near what I need.. or the search function sucks, I don't know. But the fact is, if someone asks a question, they want an answer, they don't want to get told to search through 100's of threads to probably not find an answer.
1983 Camaro Z28
ling427ttvette wrote:Bagged wrote:not our fault you cant figure out the answer. the search button is great. ive never had a problem with it and it works great. its much better then the search feature on the 2nd gen integra forum. once you been here long enough you just start to know who is right and who is wrong. its easy to find out who is right and who is wrong. i dunno i never have a problem finding an answer or getting one when i need it
Most of the threads consist of bitching and bickering, or are nothing near what I need.. or the search function sucks, I don't know. But the fact is, if someone asks a question, they want an answer, they don't want to get told to search through 100's of threads to probably not find an answer.
this has been brought up alot before. the reason people tell other people to search is cuz that question is asked so many times, no one feels like answering it anymore. half the time there is the same question on the same page. other times if people read stickys they would find their answers. the answers are there but no one wants to spend time and look for them. everything needs to be handed to everyone on this board
I really don't like seeing people post "SEARCH!!!!" why bother posting at all? Just step away from the JBO for a while...
Sure, I get frustrated by the same questions over and over again too.... y'all could let me know that we need a FAQ entry.... maybe even write one for me, so you can refer them there instead of posting more useless crap and making the person feel not-so-welcome...
Heh, there are two simple questions that I have about my J that I haven't been able to find the answer to through the search and I created a thread that was not much more useful. We are talking BASIC questions here.
"The Blue Bullet"
guys gotta remember this isnt some magical place where you ask a question and the answer magically appears. ive been here for several years and have asked s simple airbag question and its been two days now without an answer. where as last month we were going over airbag questions all the time. it just depends on whos on and what they have time to read. sometimes your not always going to get a quick responce.
as far as the search thing, im pretty easygoing but even i get frustrated when i see people asking questions that we are discussing in other threads on the same page. maybe im just expecting to much out of people. when i found the board, i went thru all the posts trying to obtain as much info as i could and then if i didnt have an answer to a question i'd ask. but it seems allot of people dont want to take the time to do any reading or research, they just want the answer handed to them.
as far as arguing, its beacause allot of people think there is only one solution to a problem. in the audio world i always say theres 10 ways to get to where your going.
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Searching is one that Im bad at, I start to look then get frustrated because I dont have hours to look for stuff.
As far as the questions being answered, personally I wont anwser a question unless I have ran into the problem several times at work. I dont want to look like an idiot or get harassed for a wrong answer by other readers. I try to answer as many questions as I can, and that I feel comfortable with the topic. If you havent gotten a response in days try to add a little to it, that will put it at the beginning again. I normally look at threads toward the beginning of the list like the first 10 or so.
01 cav w/01 3400 gam gt 4t45e
When posts get stupid! Smilies are your friend! That seems to work more than typing out some arguement or something! Hell, I even jack other forum smilies just to get my point across!
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People need answers so they search the Internet and then come across a forum that specializes in what they need to know so they search the site and maybe they can't find the answer because the topic doesn't look like what they need so they hit up the site search engine and get like 20 somthent pages of stuff that doesn't sound relevant so they start a new thread with their question just to have every reply say to search for it!!! (this is where all the arguing comes from, there is nothing more frustrating then this. The purpose of a forum is to trade ideas, converse with others that share your passion for cars, and for people to turn to when they need help with a problem. Do not shun us newbs because we have to ask about what we do not know instead why not help, if is has been said before give us a link to it or give some suggestions as to where to look or what to search for)...
...any questions...*
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Expanding a bit on the search topic...
If the
button doesn't give you what you are looking for, there's also a Google search bar on the main page... that's been quite useful for me in the past
Just a thought...
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steven colvell wrote:People need answers so they search the Internet and then come across a forum that specializes in what they need to know so they search the site and maybe they can't find the answer because the topic doesn't look like what they need so they hit up the site search engine and get like 20 somthent pages of stuff that doesn't sound relevant so they start a new thread with their question just to have every reply say to search for it!!! (this is where all the arguing comes from, there is nothing more frustrating then this. The purpose of a forum is to trade ideas, converse with others that share your passion for cars, and for people to turn to when they need help with a problem. Do not shun us newbs because we have to ask about what we do not know instead why not help, if is has been said before give us a link to it or give some suggestions as to where to look or what to search for)......any questions...*twitch, twitch*
usually we say search because it is something that has been hashed to death. if people would take some time to just go thru and read old posts they can generally find the answer and gain more information in the long run this way. allot of people dont understand things so they see painting interior door panel and they just ignore it because they are painting their interior center console wich when in reality the two are exactly the same. if people would take the time to search and read thru some posts even though its not exactly like theirs they can generally find the answer and gain a ton of knowledge. instead people want to be spoon fed the information without doing any work for it. feed a man a fish he will eat for a day. teach a man how to fish he will eat forever. i and many others dont have the time to feed everyone every day.
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sndsgood wrote:steven colvell wrote:People need answers so they search the Internet and then come across a forum that specializes in what they need to know so they search the site and maybe they can't find the answer because the topic doesn't look like what they need so they hit up the site search engine and get like 20 somthent pages of stuff that doesn't sound relevant so they start a new thread with their question just to have every reply say to search for it!!! (this is where all the arguing comes from, there is nothing more frustrating then this. The purpose of a forum is to trade ideas, converse with others that share your passion for cars, and for people to turn to when they need help with a problem. Do not shun us newbs because we have to ask about what we do not know instead why not help, if is has been said before give us a link to it or give some suggestions as to where to look or what to search for)......any questions...*twitch, twitch*
usually we say search because it is something that has been hashed to death. if people would take some time to just go thru and read old posts they can generally find the answer and gain more information in the long run this way. allot of people dont understand things so they see painting interior door panel and they just ignore it because they are painting their interior center console wich when in reality the two are exactly the same. if people would take the time to search and read thru some posts even though its not exactly like theirs they can generally find the answer and gain a ton of knowledge. instead people want to be spoon fed the information without doing any work for it. feed a man a fish he will eat for a day. teach a man how to fish he will eat forever. i and many others dont have the time to feed everyone every day.
again this would be a battle never won. people are always going to fight over when someone says search. everyone needs spoon fed info
Most of the time this is a great place to share and get info. I am a licenced mechanic with over 20 years working on heavy equipment. I will try and help any one here if I can. I have gotten lots of help from great guys like Lenko .There are some guys here with an attitude.But that has to be expected when you get this many people in one place, some are just not going to get along. That said there is no good reason to talk trash to some other member just because they have a different idea on how to repair or modify there car .With the exception of the following " How can I put a V10 Viper engine in my Cavalier/Sunfire ?" "How can I run 35 pounds of boost on my stock LD9 L61 LN2 ?" " How can I get rid of the speed limiter on my Mom,s stock Cavalier/ Sunfire ?" If you ask any questions like these you need to get cyber slapped.
Thats Him Officer The WICKED One.
it seem as a lot of us have atleased one or two knowlegable skills. between the mechanics, bodymen, and tastefull minds on this site, many, if not all questions can be answered.. the problem is wether the next person agrees or not, we should stop trying to be the "right" one and let the person who asked the question decide what they want to do. im new to the site, love it i might ad, but so far iv been helped out several times and i like to hear what people have to say about my ride. thats just my 2 cents.....
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Yes, but that was 4 months ago. Things change
FIrst one was about jack points...the second I am too embarrassed to repost
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I help when I can....... and I try to refrain from being an ass...... it just slips some times.
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