Friend of mine with a Civic said he installed these. Said It basically puts the suspension geometry closer to stock on lower cars. Therefor putting the cars center of gravity back top stock.
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Might help our J's...maybe OEM can make a kit for us.
GMR has got nothing on this
i think its to help straighten out the control arms
Spencer wrote:i think its to help straighten out the control arms
Exactly. When you lower the car the arms go up. By doing so you move the roll center way off. By pushing the arms back to a 90* angle you have a more aggressive suspension set-up. When you lower the car too much the arms are so out of wack that the car wont handle worth squat. It will look cool but wont perform worth a dam.
This is a great product. ON my control arms, you can add spacers to account for this, so you can have the car 1/2" from the ground with a flat control arm.
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I'm not saying that some setups could benefit from this.
Just that most options for lowering on our cars do not go too low to warrant this.
This would be more for the Stance guys who go WAY low for looks.
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Addicted to meth wrote:I'm not saying that some setups could benefit from this.
Just that most options for lowering on our cars do not go too low to warrant this.
This would be more for the Stance guys who go WAY low for looks.
Why the stance guys? they dont give a @!#$ about handling anyways.
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John, I disagree. Even with a Tein SS or B and G set-up you can get arms at a very stiff rake. Anything other than 90* positive and your suspension is not effictive, at least not for racing. Another from 90-115* you are ideal. This is why the arms have a huge angle from the factory. When you add a big load you will be hard press to get pass 90*.
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I wouldnt say the teins can. Handling wise even if you could correct the a-arm angle I wouldnt run them lower than they come set from the factory.
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Leafy, I wasnt sure about Teins. I know Band G's are able to go pretty low. Again I am no expert on the suspension set-ups but the overall design and function of the product listed is a great benefit if needed.
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No teins can go really low, but I wouldnt want to run a spring thats not touching the spring perch when the wheels dangle (and just barely touching the perch), you can run the otherway its just poor form. And I'm not too excited about the amount of bump travel you start loosing as you go lower.
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My arms are at a ridiculous angle with my drop. I would LOVE these.
gtpsunfire wrote:My arms are at a ridiculous angle with my drop. I would LOVE these.
If you track your car, you should get a base number, then add something to correct the angle. I am betting you shave 1-2 sec easily.
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these woul dbe nice to have.
The Teins will go really low but the ride suffers. Right now mine show enough fender gap to fit a finger in and ride great.
Circle track guys have been doing this for years. They can use a spherical bearing in a cup with a stud instead of a sealed ball joint, so swapping out the stud makes changes easy. Longer stud = more corrected angle. They can also use spacers on the stud to fine tune it. I have longer studs with spacers on mine, and it made a world of difference.
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This is why I run the eibach pro-kit springs. My lower arms are about 5 degrees above horizontal.
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-MD- Enforcer wrote:This is why I run the eibach pro-kit springs. My lower arms are about 5 degrees above horizontal.
and they handle like crap!!!
Sportlines all the way!!
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-Z Yaaaa- wrote:mark.. get on it!
I already did. I made control arms that do this very same thing. We can make a spherical unit that attaches to the factory ball joint location. Would this interest any of you?
Mark
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i too would be in for this.
