I have a 2002 Cav ls sport I want to toss the Pro-kit on it for looks. I was going to go with the KYB GR-2 Struts and Shocks. On Garvana tuning site it says these WILL NOT WORK WITH STOCK 16 INCH WHEELS??? How are these "stock" replacements then?
What shock/strut combo can i go with. I drive the car everyday so i want it to handle as close to stock as possible.
Can i go with the GR-2s? I would like to.
Kyle
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Can i go with the GR-2s? I would like to.
that's cause you're cheap
if i remember correctly.... kyb has determined that both the agx and gr2 are good for up to a 1.5 inch drop and i'm sure someone will correct me if i'm wrong
if you're looking for something that will last and you want to do it right the first time you should look into konis or tokico d specs, as gr2's are OEM replacements which means that you would be just as well off using your stock struts as long as they're not blown
and they'll work just fine with your stock wheels
Cheap- No just have another car that I mod this is just the winter/everyday car. For some reason i thought you had to do cutting and moddifying for konis? am I wrong?
I want some sturts and shocks i can just bolt in as if they were GM i dont want to have to cut and modify stuff.
Kyle
get the AGX's. they are like $350 including shipping:
KYB AGX
Why doesn't anyone search first? This was just discussed a few days ago.
The whole 16" thing is completely off the wall, nobody know why they say it. Same thing for anything about Convertibles being different.
GR2s will not control ProKit springs. It's a bad combination.
AGXs will work just fine, in fact KYB has recommended the ProKit AGX combo. It's very popular because it works good, and is fairly cheap.
Koni's need cutting to install, but it's not that bad really. D-Specs are bolt in replacements, and are very good quality from what I've heard. Both will handle any drop where you don't abuse them (1.8"+ all the time is pretty much abusing them).
Don't be afraid to admit you're cheap. I am, and damn proud of it. I want to pay the absolute least amount to get a certain level of quality. Just don't sacrifice quality because of price, that's a lesson that extends outside of cars ya know.
C.T.S wrote:Why doesn't anyone search first? This was just discussed a few days ago.
The whole 16" thing is completely off the wall, nobody know why they say it. Same thing for anything about Convertibles being different.
GR2s will not control ProKit springs. It's a bad combination.
AGXs will work just fine, in fact KYB has recommended the ProKit AGX combo. It's very popular because it works good, and is fairly cheap.
Koni's need cutting to install, but it's not that bad really. D-Specs are bolt in replacements, and are very good quality from what I've heard. Both will handle any drop where you don't abuse them (1.8"+ all the time is pretty much abusing them).
Don't be afraid to admit you're cheap. I am, and damn proud of it. I want to pay the absolute least amount to get a certain level of quality. Just don't sacrifice quality because of price, that's a lesson that extends outside of cars ya know.
Enuff said .... couldn't said it better... and I am also cheap as hell ... But from my experience I started Eibach Pro-Kits on stock suspension and it was ok for maybe few months but after a while the ride quality sucked I have a family sedan/daily driver so I purchase KYB AGX and I am more happier with the results and yes KYB does recommends Eibach Pro-kits in there manual. And I have to agree with CTS this gets repeated almost every other week.
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C.T.S wrote:
The whole 16" thing is completely off the wall, nobody know why they say it.
It's not off the wall and I know why they say it, though I don't think it applies anymore.
When the GR2 first came out, it had a slightly bigger and slightly lower spring perch on it than the stock ones. This caused it to make contact with the stock 16" wheels. It was a design defect and has since been changed, so far as I know.
KYB replaced those for people having problems and people started putting out these warnings.
I've got the Pro Kit for my 99 Z sitting in the garage right now. Still need to buy struts though. Not gonna put the springs on without changing the struts too. Anyway I've heard good stuff about both the AGX's and the D-spec's. ShiftyCav just said the AGX kit was $350 shipped, which is great. When I looked up the D-Spec's I found them and TurboTechRacing.com for like $615!!!!!!! Holy crap!
So: AGX = $350, D-Spec = $600
Is the quality of the D-Spec kit enough to actually make it worth spending that much more over the AGX kit? Should I honestly just get the $350 AGX's and call it a day or shell out the extra bucks for the D-Spec's? This question may really help you too Kyle Maas.
Big difference between AGX and D-Specs:
AGX = 1.5" drop max
D-Spec = ~1.8" Drop max, and you can use coilovers.
LD9 Fury! wrote:I've got the Pro Kit for my 99 Z sitting in the garage right now. Still need to buy struts though. Not gonna put the springs on without changing the struts too. Anyway I've heard good stuff about both the AGX's and the D-spec's. ShiftyCav just said the AGX kit was $350 shipped, which is great. When I looked up the D-Spec's I found them and TurboTechRacing.com for like $615!!!!!!! Holy crap!
So: AGX = $350, D-Spec = $600
Is the quality of the D-Spec kit enough to actually make it worth spending that much more over the AGX kit? Should I honestly just get the $350 AGX's and call it a day or shell out the extra bucks for the D-Spec's? This question may really help you too Kyle Maas.
For your intended use, the AGX's should work fine. If you ever plan to swith to coilovers or lower springs(which really woulnd't be a good idea) then maybe think about investing in D-specs. Lots of people use AGX's at the autocross track. They are proven struts and will last awhile if not abused.
yea it all depends on what you are looking for. if you are using it as a daily driver and just want to lower it a little then get the AGX's. if you are worrying about price, then they are definitely the thing to go for because its not going to make you poor.
Kyle Maas wrote:Cheap- No just have another car that I mod this is just the winter/everyday car. For some reason i thought you had to do cutting and moddifying for konis? am I wrong?
I want some sturts and shocks i can just bolt in as if they were GM i dont want to have to cut and modify stuff.
Kyle
If it's your daily driver, why risk blowing struts in a month or two, when you could install your suspension once (properly) and not have to worry about it. $350 is not expensive when you consider how much it costs to mod a car. If you can't afford it, leave it stock.
How about the ease of installation between the 2 (D-Spec and AGX)???
I've heard that many struts have to be like cut and modified and don't fit well etc. etc. I'm looking for struts I don't have to modify, and I can do myself in a weekend without taking the car to a shop and paying for installation. Once again: D-Spec or AGX?
AGX are ready to go. no cutting or anything. easy to do yourself as long as you have some air tools and a spring compressor. D-Specs, im not too sure but might be the same. i think the Konis are the only ones that require any fabs.
well my 00 sedan i had the pro kit on it , and it rode like crap after a while , in most part id say it was the struts causing the ride problems
my g/fs 02 ls sport has the pro kit also , and it ride better (alot less miles than mine)
i did a set of D-specs on a friends 97 vert with the prokit on it , which had been on it along time with stock struts , after doing the d-specs , it rode ALOT better
if your struts are low milage , and you cant afford to upgrade the struts id say go ahead and use the stock 1's
id recomend using adjustable struts (externally adjustable) , over non-adjustable struts , its worth the money no matter if you drive like grandma , or the little ole lady from pasedena (racing around)
Looks like I'm getting AGX
