hey i just bought a 93 sunbird auto with the 2 liter and i was wondering what could i do to improve its performance without going turbo. what are some things that people have done to make their sunbird car faster.
Most people just sold their car and bought a 10 speed bike. They run about the same 1/4 mile. Seriously though since you're an auto the only option you really have is basic bolt ons (Intake, Exhaust) but since you're a 2.0 you'll still be slow as balls, I own a bird too but it's a 5-speed so without a turbo the only other options I have above you is a clutch and flywheel upgrade. That's without any block work though but turbo is the way to go as well as pistons, rods, camshaft, and upgraded valves.
Factory you should be getting a depressing 96hp...v6 baby!
Remember, turbo 2.0 > V-6.
compared to the geo metro, yes
i also want to know something about a sunbird i just picked up a 92 auto 2.0 and damn is there nothing for this car not even on ebay lol its just my winter car till i get my turbo talon engine rebuilt for summer
i will say aoutta exp there is NOTTHING YOU CAN DO!!! j/k
intake,and a 2.25 inch EXT adn a good muflier. but that all the bolt ons i can think of right now. i did some head work only cause i blew my HG.
3800 blower motor. Its not turbo.
N/A 4 cylinders are useless. The only replacement for displacement is forced induction. Don't bother modifying your 2.0 N/A especially mated to the auto trans. You'd be far better off with an engine swap, otherwise you're throwing your money down the drain.
The only way I would even consider in structing you to mod a 2.0 n/a would be if you were doing the DOHC swap. But with the SOHC you're so limited anyways it's just not worth a dime.
I give this same advice to ecotec, LD9, 2.2 owners, anyone with a 4 banger. It is simply not worth your time or money in any way to go n/a on a 4 banger.
I say that depends on what you are doing with your car. I know my Cav has never seen a dragstrip, even though I may take off from lights like it.. so what do I really need to go turbo on my 2.2OHV for? It's pretty quick, even with 228k on old motor with 5 speed and I really couldn't see the need to go much faster on the street, so I wouldn't say it's useless mr. bad arse exhaust with electric dump. a shift kit on the 3 speed will help a little, and I'm pretty sure you can get alot of parts for 2.0OHC at Mantapart.com, although the only thing I've ever bought from them is a clutch kit. As for myself, will soon be rebuilding my engine, and as long as I have the money, going to forged higher comp. pistons, rods, and crank work, exhaust and intake with a little port work and it should be good for another 200k.
K so lemme get this straight.....your basically building your N/A motor into an eligible turbo motor.......but your not putting a turbo on it......how big are your balls?
jordan kruger wrote:K so lemme get this straight.....your basically building your N/A motor into an eligible turbo motor.......but your not putting a turbo on it......how big are your balls?
Thats quite a personal and unessecary comment... wow. Whats wrong with you anyway.. this is a car form and you are asking about someones genitals....
depending on what your goals are, doing an n/a 4 cyl can get the results you want. basicly to get the power, you gotta built a very strong valve train and bottom end to take high rpm. then you have to tune to get the high rpm. something like an ld9 or ect, if you pay attention to the airflow (throttle body-exaust tip) and optimize it well, up the compression, you can make a decently powerfull n/a motor for the street, then throw a bottle on at the track.
as far as modding a 2.0l n/a, dont bother. turbo 2.0l or v6.
Christopher McClenny wrote:I say that depends on what you are doing with your car. I know my Cav has never seen a dragstrip, even though I may take off from lights like it.. so what do I really need to go turbo on my 2.2OHV for? It's pretty quick, even with 228k on old motor with 5 speed and I really couldn't see the need to go much faster on the street, so I wouldn't say it's useless mr. bad arse exhaust with electric dump. a shift kit on the 3 speed will help a little, and I'm pretty sure you can get alot of parts for 2.0OHC at Mantapart.com, although the only thing I've ever bought from them is a clutch kit. As for myself, will soon be rebuilding my engine, and as long as I have the money, going to forged higher comp. pistons, rods, and crank work, exhaust and intake with a little port work and it should be good for another 200k.
Your 2.2 OHV is not pretty quick. It's not even "sorta" quick. If you car can't even run in the 15's, it can't be thought of in anyway as a "performer" even if it handles well. A sunbird turbo 2.0 even in teh heaviest form - convertible, will run a mid-high 15 second stock.
As far as Mantapart 2.0 parts, there isn't a darn thing on their site worth buying.
And as for your 2.2, don't bother modding it unless you're going with boost. You have a OHV engine that only really makes low end power, especially stock or n/a. It's not worth your time.
Who said anything about drag racing or quarter mile times? I thought he was talking about driving on the street, with cops and speed limits and stuff. I'm sure Protonus would vote the turbocharger as the greatest invention ever, but everybody has their own idea of what they want. I'm sure all of the great technology we now enjoy and all the amazing things that have been created by people over time would still be here if every person had listened when someone told them not to waste their time working to achieve something. I say that's a very narrow minded view to have, but that's just my opinion. I will waste my time building my LM3, because I like it and I want to. It has been a great and reliable engine for nearly 300k, and I think it's worth it. Anyway, sorry to take up so much time, but point is don't let anyone tell you not to go for what you want, unless it's dangerous or something like that. No offence to anyone, good day to you all
u guys will prob think i am stupid but i fully rebuilt a 2.0 OHC N/A and everything is new with the new cam and lifters ETC. and i thought at first it was stupid too but thinking about it iam still running a 4 banger just like thos @!#$ Honda's and i will beat them all with the a 4 banger and not a v6 which prob be in my car in 3 or 4 years but for now the 4 banger will do. and if u need any help with the 20. OHC or 2.2L. just PM.
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Christopher McClenny wrote:Who said anything about drag racing or quarter mile times? I thought he was talking about driving on the street, with cops and speed limits and stuff. I'm sure Protonus would vote the turbocharger as the greatest invention ever, but everybody has their own idea of what they want. I'm sure all of the great technology we now enjoy and all the amazing things that have been created by people over time would still be here if every person had listened when someone told them not to waste their time working to achieve something. I say that's a very narrow minded view to have, but that's just my opinion. I will waste my time building my LM3, because I like it and I want to. It has been a great and reliable engine for nearly 300k, and I think it's worth it. Anyway, sorry to take up so much time, but point is don't let anyone tell you not to go for what you want, unless it's dangerous or something like that. No offence to anyone, good day to you all
If your desire is performance, you won't get it in an n/a 4 banger especially a SOHC motor with very low headflow. Whether or not you agree with me is irellevent. I will continue telling people to avoid wasting their time and money because I know enough on the subject to warn people against it. If someone told me they were going to go N/A on a 3 cylinder festiva and swap it into a buick regal, I'd tell them to avoid wasting their time and money too. It has NOTHING to do with a narrow mind and EVERYTHING to do with what is actually possible. You will, and are, limited by the amount of power you can run in the n/a motor by a NUMBER of factors. In order to cover comen them you are going to have to spend a TON of money and time, to get it to even the performance level of a STOCK turbo 2.0, which you can pick up used for under 600 bucks at most any junkyard.
Even when you do get it performing well, you still have the weak axles, the weak trans, and a number of other limiting factors to overcome. In the end you will end up being able to buy a sunbird turbo 2.0 drive train or the whole car for at the very least half of what you'd have to spend on a 2.0 N/A, just to get it to the stock level of a turbo 2.0. And then you're maxed out again anyways. Where as the turbo 2.0 has tons of potential.
So yes, again I will reccomend STRONGLY against even thinking about it.
