i'm looking to get into r/c planes but i wanna actually fly one first before i spend money on a good plane. So, anyone in the York,PA area care to meet up. I'll buy you lunch for your troubles, thanks.
You can prob go to a hobby shop and they can let you fly a plane. Tell them you wana get into it and you want a lesson to see if you actualy like it.
^^good i dea. know any hobby shops that do planes?
Buy one from RadioShack. If you don't like it, return it.
i was gonna but those RS ones suck. i want experience with a REAL RC plane
Try to find a fling club around your area and go out there and meet with some of guys and see if theyll let you try there plane out. Most plane radio have what called a trainer link where you can link 2 radio together for training on how to fly. If you where closer to IL id take you out and show you how to fly.
^ theres a hobby shop on w market street in york before you get to the new turkey hill they built in place off that old gas station, forget the name, that was there for like a billion years
Like I told you when you emailed me about my planes, just do a search. Some clubs have trainers they can let you try. You just have to locate them
Here is the site for the York R/c club -
http://www.yorkrc.com/
Here is the AMA (Academy of Model Aeronautics) site and if you look at the lower left there is a place where you can search clubs and hobby shops in your area.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/
Since this is basically the same topic.
If anyone is interested my sale ad here
http://www.j-body.org/classifieds/miscellaneous/36128/ is still active and availible. Looking for $350 for everything. Ad is self explaining. Email is the best form of contact since I don't check this site every day anymore.
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how bout you ask the sinister js first? duh i am right here i have a nitro plane and heli, i can let you fly the plane but you aren't touchin my heli unless you buy it, cause i am still afraid to fly it. if you want a heli i'll sell it for like 550, all you need is a controler and a reciever chip... as for hobby shos letting you fly them, nope won't happen, all planes have at least 3 hours assembly time, and kits can take days if not weeks worth of time.
my plane, might be able to let you fly it but you would have to come out to lancaster it's the only field i have a membership to fly at, as mine is big enough that you cannot fly it in your back yard... let me know we can talk it over...
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Thats not entirly true. Some hobby shops have demo planes availible and with there being a buddy box plane on 90% of the remotes out there they can let you fly. They do it around here all teh time.
Also There are 3 types of plane kits.
-Basic kits that you build form scratch all the way down to the wing ribs and covering it.
-A.R.Fs (Almost ready to fly) which take about 16 hours to put together (two days). These planes come already covered, but you bave to glue the wing halves together, assemble the tail, fuel suplies, mount the motor and radio equipment and landing gear.
-R.T.Fs (Ready To Fly) these are a new category of plane which can be electric or fuel. They are starting to come more and more popular due to the relitively inexpensive replacement parts availible for them.
I have owned and built all three and now and days all types have a very good design. The two I am selling One is a AFR and the other is a RTF. I bought the RTF Aerobird after demoing one of the shop's planes with the owner of a local shop. After flying iwth it I bought a new one to teach my wife how to fly. We never got around to it due to having too many other things going on.
I have been flying since 1998 but the planes I'm selling are brand new never flown due to no time.
EDIT - When I said "buddy box plane" I ment Buddy Box System on the 90% of the remotes.
OYCCI we are gonna have a chat next week.
Sight-n-sound i think im gonna pass at least until i fly Oycci's plane.
but thanks for the quick email responses and details.
and Oycci, why are you afraid to fly the heli???
Helicopters are harder to fly due to the controls involved. You are constantly fighting a rotational force. Hovering is actually the hardest part of flying a helicopter.
RC helis are very hard to fly, my guess is he doesnt want to crash it. they cost alot of money too.
I have a NITRO gas plane, its a trainer. I'm selling it as well, it's all put together. Comes with a spare wing, and the radio is included and servo and all the other prop starting stuff and all that.
If youre interested email me and we can talk
My guess about the helo thing is that he won't let him fly it cuz they are REALLY expensive, and complicated , and difficult to learn to fly. Plus get out of control and you can really fubar yourself up
same with the nitro planes, really expensive painstaking to rebuild but once you learn to fly it, its a great time.
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good things about planes....
when you crash, and everyone does sooner or later, you can spare the electronics into the new plane... new planes only run 90-200$....
i;ve been part of the AMA since 1989, roar and norrca since 1990.... need any help, let me know.
i;'d let you drive my car, but the planes are nitro/gas.... a bit more money tied up into em for a beginner though.
check for the electric planes at a hobby shop. usually made of plastic and have twin stick controllers...
balsa wood planes are less forgiving in mistakes.
Sight-N-Sound wrote:Helicopters are harder to fly due to the controls involved. You are constantly fighting a rotational force. Hovering is actually the hardest part of flying a helicopter.
you are partially correct, the controls are alot more touchy than a plane, there is no room for mistakes, and i don't fight that rotational force, i bought myself a gyro, after i spin or whatever it automatically counter controls it to stop the spin... for 50 bucks it was a good buy... and i personally found hovering easy, the hard part is controling it when you are not standing directly behind it...
Machzel08 (Cumberbund) wrote:OYCCI we are gonna have a chat next week.
Sight-n-sound i think im gonna pass at least until i fly Oycci's plane.
but thanks for the quick email responses and details.
and Oycci, why are you afraid to fly the heli???
yep the heli is very difficult and it is very very easy to damage, a set of rotor blades for my choper will run 60 bucks...
and i also have a buddy box as mentioned by sight-n-sound, but i haven't flown it myself in awhile so i need to get reaquainted with it... we can talk about it saturday
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art: thanks i may be asking a few questions
oycci: forgot that i have a concert to go to this sat. so maybe on the 3rd we can chat. thanks man
Oyyci wrote:Sight-N-Sound wrote:Helicopters are harder to fly due to the controls involved. You are constantly fighting a rotational force. Hovering is actually the hardest part of flying a helicopter.
you are partially correct, the controls are alot more touchy than a plane, there is no room for mistakes, and i don't fight that rotational force, i bought myself a gyro, after i spin or whatever it automatically counter controls it to stop the spin... for 50 bucks it was a good buy... and i personally found hovering easy, the hard part is controling it when you are not standing directly behind it...
Ok well without buying special controls for it then yeah. I was speaking from being around the real helicopters at work. Flying a real helicopter which applies to most models as well, there is a constant adjustment of the controls since the rotors not only make you go up but as you tilt forward they make you fly strait. You are constantly "rocking the stick" in very very hair movements to create forward motion.
Tilt too much forward and you will go fast but you also drop. Then there is the use of the collective for altitude adjustments.....
Mach, as stated before
Check out the AMA site and start contacting Clubs. Most AMA affliliated clubs have training programs the USE THE BUDDY BOX system. There is no club I have even been part of or talked to that just stands there and says good luck. These guys understand its a commitment and they are always loking to get new people into the hobby. Some clubs have club trainers availible to use or some require you to buy your own but they will still teach you on the buddy box so you don't trash your plane.
Most training programs finish with a solo flight and you need to be able to glide your plane in without power in case of a motor problem. Training programs depend usually on the person learning. I was soloing in 4 sundays with no issues except growing out of my first trainer in the first 2 weeks. I was flying it upside down which is very hard to do due to the flat bottom airfoil. A wind on the edge of the airfield knocked it down about 8 foot off the ground and it was heading into the pits. I cut the pwer and ditched it to avoid hurting anyone since I didn;t have enough room to roll it back over, or enough trim adjustment to force it to climb faster....
The following two weeks I bought and finished my training on a .40 size big stick which has a symetrical wing that allowed for more responsive areobatics....That plane ended up getting a broken tail section due to a moving accident when I was moving from my dad's place into the fire station. Great plane though. I especially liked the tail dragger stance and wish they had trainers like that.
If I still had the time I would have bought a .60 size J3 piper cub.....
yeah ^ knows what he is talkin about... it isn't a cheap hobby and it's very easy to get discouraged... if you are going with a nitro plane. i am gonna say look at spending 3-500$ just to get started... you need the plane, engine, radio stuff (ie servos reciever), you also need you field stuff, glow starter, i reccomend an electric starter cause starting it by hand is a PITA especially a new un-broken in engine, and then just extra props and some simple hand tools... i'm sure i have missed something...
and if you decide to go with a kit rather than something pre built, you have a another big list of things you need... this is one of those hobbies where it pays to do things right the first time not putse around with cheap stuff...
tower hobbies<there is where you can find just about anything you want i have bought stuff from there numerous times
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Aksi U suggest you start out with an ARF or a RTF
not a kit. Kits require a lot of space and time to build right. If you are off a tiny bit while building a wing you could end up with a twist. Twists are not good when building power planes. Because it causes a constant bank and its a pain in the arse to correct with just radio control trim.
Twists in wings do serve a purpose when you get into thermal gliders and some builders incoperate a twist. Thats another subject all together.
Occyi is also right on the costs. For your typical .40 size trainer (I do not recommend anything smaller due to visibility and stability issues) you are looking at the following breakdown.
-$100 to $130 for the plane its self / ARF kit
-$100+ for a good .40 size motor. I recommend O.S. band for reliability. I also Suggest a ball bearing motor compared to a plain bearing for longer reliability and better performance.
-$150+ for a radio system which usually includes 4 servos, transmitter, reciever. I suggest JR for proven reliablity. I had a Hitec for my first radio. It served its purpose for a cheaper alternitive.
-$50+ for glue, fuel, glow plugs, plug igniter, power panel, flight box ETC..... some stuff you need like the ignighter, glue, glow plugs and fuel.
So you can see costs add up. Thats why I was very honest in my emails about prices and not willing to sell stuff individually. When you look at my package I'm selling the fact that you are getting two NEW/ NEVER FLOWN planes and EVERYTHING including a full flight box with power panel and electric starter, worth every penny and very appealing.
I actually just got done emailing about 7 flight clubs locally so I;m hopping I can unload this stuff soon....
The plane, Tower Hobbies Trainers are pretty good, Great Planes are also really good. i honestly forget what mine is but i think it is Great Planes.
Engines, O.S. Engines are very good, i have them in both my plane and chopper, i had another brand in my plane it was a piece of trash i had so many problems with it. Also If you plan on sticking with this, go with the FX model of OS, they are the ball bearing engines. Put in terms you might get easier non ball bearing engines are kinda like 2200 engine and the ball bearing ones are like the 2.4s, they rev faster and last longer. lol
JR do make good radio equiipment, although i prefer Futaba but both are very good. And if you think you are really going to get in the hobby i reccommend getting a 6 channel, computer transmitter, because it will save you in the long run. IT has the ability to remember trims, for several different planes, and if you ever decide to get a heli you need it. that's what i have and it works great, i can fly the plane and then click a few buttons and i am set up to fly the helicopter, no resetting trims. I know a lot of people who buy seperate controlers for each model, but i think it is cheaper/easier to do it my way.
Servos, they can be as little as like 14 a piece, and they just get more expencive from there, more expencive ones are quicker to respond and move faster, i have flown a plane with digital servos and it is amazing it reacts so fast, it really isn't needed for a trainer though, its too fast...
as for the flight stuff, it's all about the same, nothing is a whole lot better than anything else. just make sure you have everything you need because nothing is more aggrivating than getting out to the field, setting everything up then finding you forgot somethin and having to go back and get it, trust me i am speaking from experience...
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