I was over on another website called autorush.com and it says something about they have reintroduced a bill to ban all aftermarket exhausts on a vehicle in pa. Has anyone else heard anything about this yet? I think thats total bs becuase motorcycles exhausts esp are like 20 times louder. Recently i also heard of a state trooper in my area pulling people over for their exhausts and tint. Ugh soon we will not be able to do anything to our rides.
this is posted quite often...
motorcycles are literally 1/4 the size of a car, IF THAT.
for a bike rider, they passed a law in congress "loud pipes saves lives" campaign. look it up.
and since we have so many idiots on the roads with cars, etc. if motorcyles werent as loud as they are, many idiots, young and old DO NOT CHECK BLIND SPOTS before changing lanes, when you do stupid things like this kid
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=5&i=383888&t=383888
the loud pipes help. however on cars its not really needed.
you can thank the people who have their exhausts ungodly loud and are still slow as hell that get caught making the noise. and i mean ungodly loud.
but comparing a 2600 lbs car to a 300-600 lbs bike..... pointless.
It is illegal to modify exhaustin PA in any way that makes it louder than stock now so this is nothing new. time to get the dynomax muffler with the stock turndown to make it not so obvious.
i had my exhaust one for almost a year. i haven't got pulled over (knock on wood).
then again mine dont sound like a weed wacker
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ive had my exhuast for about two years....and honstly i dont think i have ever herd of someone getting pulled over in de for an aftermarket exhaust....however they crack down on alot of loud stereo's
Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:this is posted quite often...
motorcycles are literally 1/4 the size of a car, IF THAT.
for a bike rider, they passed a law in congress "loud pipes saves lives" campaign. look it up.
and since we have so many idiots on the roads with cars, etc. if motorcyles werent as loud as they are, many idiots, young and old DO NOT CHECK BLIND SPOTS before changing lanes, when you do stupid things like this kid
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=5&i=383888&t=383888
the loud pipes help. however on cars its not really needed.
you can thank the people who have their exhausts ungodly loud and are still slow as hell that get caught making the noise. and i mean ungodly loud.
but comparing a 2600 lbs car to a 300-600 lbs bike..... pointless.
holy crap, event is back. I havent seen you on here in seems like at least 6 months
welcome back
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yea right if it was illegal muffler shops wouldnt do it
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Rodimus Prime wrote:yea right if it was illegal muffler shops wouldnt do it
not always.... many muffler shops install alot of illegal stuff. same as speed shops. alot of the headers.... not made for street use, hence offroad use only.
basically anyone with a 3rd gen j with anything other than a pacesetter header, is technically illegal, or made for offroad use.
Non DOT sanctioned lights... illegal.
tint shops installing tint lower than 35% in the majority of US states....illegal
but its never enforced on the shops, cause they get paid, the police have work to do busting you, and then the shops get paid again to reinstall, or remove parts.
everyone besides you (in generally speaking "you") is happy and paid.
wow, its amazing how a stupid rumor turns into people running around frantically saying omg omg what do i do now. First off, there can be no such bill whatsoever. Second whoever said right now that aftermarket exhaust is illegal is full of @!#$. It's not illegal. Plus, how do you think your car passes inspection? I have my PA inspection mechanics book right here. I'm not saying all aftermarket exhaust is legal though. There is such a thing as noise ordinances and stuff like that. Plus having no cat-conv is completely illegal.
the biggest problem I see though is emissions, rumor has it that all of PA is going to be under full emissions testing by 2006. Lucky for me right now my county just has the visual inspection as of now.
oh yeah, good to see you back event, since you left it seemed like the troll population skyrocketed
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Plus, how do you think your car passes inspection? I have my PA inspection mechanics book right here. I'm not saying all aftermarket exhaust is legal though. There is such a thing as noise ordinances and stuff like that. Plus having no cat-conv is completely illegal.
I have had an exhaust for two years, and had it inspected the last two years with it on, in PA.
Many area's have sound ordances, but they have to have meter, and levels, etc to fine you.
Also bikes and trucks follow different law than do cars for stuff like this.
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http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/067/chapter175/s175.181.html
(a) Condition of exhaust system. All components of the exhaust system shall be in safe operating condition as described in § 175.190 (relating to inspection procedure).
(b) Exhaust system requirements. A vehicle specified under this subchapter shall be equipped with a muffler or other effective noise-suppressing system in good working order and in constant operation. A muffler or exhaust system may not be equipped with a cutout, bypass or similar device and a muffler may not show evidence of external repair.
(1) The exhaust system of a motor-driven cycle or motorized pedalcycle may not be modified in a manner which will amplify or increase noise emitted by the motor of vehicle above the maximum level permitted by Chapter 157 (relating to established sound levels).
(2) An exposed exhaust system shall be equipped with an adequate heat shield or protective system or be located to prevent contact by the operator or passenger.
You're all welcome. It IS illegal to modify the exhaust to be louder than stock, see above.
However, the requirements to TEST that it's louder are next-to-impossible. Meaning, the only ticket you are able to get is if you are breaking a noise ordinance where the officer has a decibel meter.
Simon
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Sorry... I have the wrong subsection:
http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/067/chapter175/s175.105.html
§ 175.105. Exhaust systems.
(a) Condition of exhaust system. All components of the exhaust system shall be in safe operating condition as described in § 175.110 (relating to inspection procedure).
(b) Exhaust system requirements. A vehicle specified under this subchapter shall be constructed, equipped, maintained and operated to prevent engine exhaust gases from penetrating and collecting in any part of the vehicle occupied by the driver or a passenger, in addition to the requirements of this title for emission control systems and smoke control for a diesel-powered vehicle.
(1) A vehicle specified under this subchapter shall be equipped with a muffler or other effective noise-suppressing system in good working order and in constant operation. A muffler or exhaust system may not be equipped with a cutout, bypass or similar device, and a muffler may not show evidence of external repair.
(2) The exhaust system of a vehicle may not be modified in a manner which will amplify or increase noise emitted by the motor of a vehicle above the maximum level permitted by Chapter 157 (relating to established sound levels).
(3) Headers and side exhaust are permitted if the vehicle meets the requirements of this section.
(4) An exposed exhaust system shall be equipped with an adequate heat shield or protective system.
(5) An exhaust system shall extend and discharge completely to the outside edge of the vehicle body, including a truck bed, or as originally designed, except for the following:
(i) Heavy trucks or truck tractors. The exhaust system of every heavy truck and truck tractor shall discharge to the atmosphere at a location to the rear of the cab or, if the exhaust projects above the cab, at a location near the rear of the cab.
(ii) Gasoline powered buses, including school buses. The exhaust system of a bus powered by a gasoline engine shall discharge to the atmosphere at or within 6 inches forward of the rearmost part of the bus. Until June 15, 1998, the tailpipe of school buses may extend to, but not beyond the body limits on the left side of the school bus within 60 inches of the left rear wheel as measured from the center of the wheel axis.
(iii) Buses, including school buses, powered by fuels other than gasoline. The exhaust system of a bus using fuels other than gasoline shall discharge to the atmosphere either at or within 15 inches forward of the rearmost part of the vehicle; or to the rear of all doors or windows designed to be opened, except windows designed to be opened solely as emergency exits. Until June 15, 1998, the tailpipe of school buses may extend to, but not beyond the body limits on the left side of the school bus within 60 inches of the left rear wheel as measured from the center of the wheel axis.
(c) Exemption. A firefighting vehicle is exempt from this section.
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SimonTuffGuy wrote:
(1) The exhaust system of a motor-driven cycle or motorized pedalcycle may not be modified in a manner which will amplify or increase noise emitted by the motor of vehicle above the maximum level permitted by Chapter 157 (relating to established sound levels).
You're all welcome. It IS illegal to modify the exhaust to be louder than stock, see above.
However, the requirements to TEST that it's louder are next-to-impossible. Meaning, the only ticket you are able to get is if you are breaking a noise ordinance where the officer has a decibel meter.
Simon
your wrong.. read closely..... it says you cant modify the exhaust in a manner that will amplify or increase noise emmited by the motor of vehicle above the
maximum level permitted by chapter 157
that doesn't mean you cant modify it, that means it has to meet certain decibal standards
92 db i believe is the max for most all states. or something in that range.
92 db seems about right, i think the EPA says at 93 db prolonged exposer can cause hearing loss. That should put 92 db into perspective.
Yeah which is what i said in my original post. It is illegal to modifiy an exhaust system in any way that increases noise.
I read that 90db is about as loud as a lawn mower, belt sander, hand drill etc...
90 is not that loud...
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legion24 wrote:Yeah which is what i said in my original post. It is illegal to modifiy an exhaust system in any way that increases noise.
Incorrect
It is illegal to make it louder than 90 or so db. It is still leagl to make it louder, to a certain level.
my stereo is 143db I doubt they would hear my exhaust first
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From the EPA site,
red devil yes you are right it isn't that loud, but sure would be annonying. IMO
Painful:
150 dB = rock music peak
140 dB = firearms, air raid siren, jet engine
130 dB = jackhammer
120 dB = jet plane take-off, amplified rock music at 4-6 ft., car stereo,
band practice
Extremely loud:
110 dB = rock music, model airplane
106 dB = timpani and bass drum rolls
100 dB = snowmobile, chain saw, pneumatic drill
90 dB = lawnmower, shop tools, truck traffic, subway
Very loud:
80 dB = alarm clock, busy street
70 dB = busy traffic, vacuum cleaner
60 dB = conversation, dishwasher
Moderate:
50 dB = moderate rainfall
40 dB = quiet room
Faint:
30 dB = whisper, quiet library
The 90 db level would almost ensure that any free flowing exhaust you would add to you car would exceed legal requirements when the car is at wot. It all depends where you live anyway because mine is pretty loud and i have never had even a mention from the police. If you do have a problem with it get a lawyer and take it to court and find out who is right. The cop probably won't show up for the hearing and it will be dismissed.
legion24 wrote:Yeah which is what i said in my original post. It is illegal to modifiy an exhaust system in any way that increases noise.
First off, dont make any more posts because obviously you arent reading or understanding a damn thing.
Second, you can very well keep an aftermarket exhaust system under 90 decibals, I know mines pretty damn close. With proper tuning with resonators and such, its very easy. For people who just throw a system on there with either no cat or any resonators, its going to exceed 90 decibals.
