I've been using HPT on my own car for a couple months now and would like to start offering tunes to you guys at a very low (lowest you'll find anywhere) price so that you guys can pick up a tune and I can get more experience. This is the fastest way I can think of to gain knowledge and future customers. The intro price will start at $175 if you come to me. We'll figure in gas if you want me to drive there or meet you half way. If you know the back ground on HPT you know that it'll cost me $100 just to unlock your ECU, so I'm not making much money here. It is simply to gain hands on experience and offer a discounted price. I've seen guys charging 2 and sometimes 3 times that, so you can see the bargain.
I've been studying and researching EFI tuning on Js for the past 6 months (yeah I started studying up before I even got HPT). I have a lot of experience tuning older carbed cars so it's just a matter of transferring that knowledge to EFI. But, since the J's ECUs are so simple I've picked up pretty quickly. I've also been Mentored by Skunk for the past 6 months. He has been an amazing help and has gotten me going in the right direction.
On my own car I have already perfected a NA bolt-on tune. I've spent a good bit of time on this tune and this is about as far as a bolt-on J can go. The setup is for stock injectors but if you have bigger injectors is only a matter of changing the multiplyer and maybe adding a tad more fuel. This NA tune I feel confident on and would load it right now. I have some base tunes for turbo and SC cars that I just need time with one or two of those types of cars to get them right like the NA tune.
If you'd like a tune, let me know by posting here, email, or PM.
BTW- if you have a wideband, the tune will be a lot better. We can do one with just the narrow band for WOT but your cruise and partial throttle might still be rough.
Thanks, I look forward to your reply
sorry but if you aren't using a wideband then you should not be tuning anything. narrow band?? Your kidding right?
FU Tuning
LOL at this thread!
FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!
John Higgins wrote:sorry but if you aren't using a wideband then you should not be tuning anything. narrow band?? Your kidding right?
RIP JESSE GERARD.....Youll always be in my thoughts and prayers...
Ok, here's something that the guys above are laughing at that aren't aware of. Your narrowband can be used with a formula to determine the AFR by what it is reading in mV. It's pretty common knowledge to tuners btw.
Is it 100% accurate? No. But, at WOT you're in PE mode, it is set to a richer target AFR, and the car will not be hitting anything above 13.3 or so. Some have reported as low as 12.0, but it all depends on the AIT. So, if you want to laugh, it's fine. To those that would like to take advantage of a good deal before the prices go up. Have at it.
Peace
Vitamin E (AKA Eddie) wrote:Ok, here's something that the guys above are laughing at that aren't aware of. Your narrowband can be used with a formula to determine the AFR by what it is reading in mV. It's pretty common knowledge to tuners btw.
Is it 100% accurate? No. But, at WOT you're in PE mode, it is set to a richer target AFR, and the car will not be hitting anything above 13.3 or so. Some have reported as low as 12.0, but it all depends on the AIT. So, if you want to laugh, it's fine. To those that would like to take advantage of a good deal before the prices go up. Have at it.
Peace
Narrowband O2 sensor's are only accurate right around 14:7:1. That is why they are called narrowband.
Some of the newer cars like the Solstice GXP, even Getti's have factory wideband sensor's and you can use formula to read the AFR output and it is accurate.
FU Tuning
ok, I've already said it's not 100% accurate
I've already said tuning with a WB would be best
A couple of you who replied already have a tune, so the fact that you came in here to give a negative comment surprises me.
I just want to get some time on some other cars besides ones running n2o or NA like my own.
I'm sorry, but after reading your first two posts, I don't think you'll get any customers. Honestly, you're NOT offering a bargain given the knowledge (and risk) you've given.
Want to learn? Offer it for free (whatever the cost of the unlock is).
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I already have the tunes to use made by Skunk. All I'm practicing is how to edit the tables for fuel for your needs. Which, btw they are pig rich to start with. Have you checked his latest dyno? lol But, it's fine. Just no one else respond to this thread please. Let it die and 6 months from now when you need a tune from someone near by don't be shocked when I'm faster than you at the track and the tune price has gone up to $400 a pop.
So, yeah. I'm not mad. Just don't respond any more and it will sink down to the bottom of the list here.
Vitamin E (AKA Eddie) wrote:I already have the tunes to use made by Skunk. All I'm practicing is how to edit the tables for fuel for your needs. Which, btw they are pig rich to start with. Have you checked his latest dyno? lol But, it's fine. Just no one else respond to this thread please. Let it die and 6 months from now when you need a tune from someone near by don't be shocked when I'm faster than you at the track and the tune price has gone up to $400 a pop.
So, yeah. I'm not mad. Just don't respond any more and it will sink down to the bottom of the list here.
You know what you come on here acting like you have the end all to tuning. Oh you have Skunk helong you wow! How about I have Ryan from P&P Tuning to help me if I need it, or Chris (Sweetness), which Skunk has gotten help from. Your big man on campus now!!
You want to be faster good, but prove it., Get some dyno numbers and some track times to back it up!
Ok rant over.
FU Tuning
Actually I did no such thing. You're still mad from Skunk's last post I guess. And I can understand that. I ripped you a new one. But, I never said I'm the new big man on campus. I simply started as saying I wanted to tune some cars. I have HPT, free time, knowledge, and tunes from an established tuner already to get me started. You knuckle heads came in here to preach the "I'm better then you are" attitude that you guys are famous for.
And you guys actually wonder why we don't get new vendors making us parts. Why people are moving on from Jbodys. Why this site has a diminishing population of knowledgable people. Take a hard look in the mirror. People like this hobby because it's supposed to be fun. You jack holes always make it NOT fun for anyone. Just stay out the thread if you don't want anything.
You douchebags are like the guys at the club that come to start a fight instead letting other people have a good time.
Vitamin E (AKA Eddie) wrote:I already have the tunes to use made by Skunk. All I'm practicing is how to edit the tables for fuel for your needs. Which, btw they are pig rich to start with. Have you checked his latest dyno? lol But, it's fine. Just no one else respond to this thread please. Let it die and 6 months from now when you need a tune from someone near by don't be shocked when I'm faster than you at the track and the tune price has gone up to $400 a pop.
So, yeah. I'm not mad. Just don't respond any more and it will sink down to the bottom of the list here.
Your cockiness for being a Jbody HPT novice is astounding. You didn't even create the base tune - you're using someone else's. And who cares what his dyno numbers are? What are YOUR tune numbers?
And then, you want to use other people's engines for you to test your skills; and possibly mess something up while doing it (you admitted you're still learning). You don't even have your own wideband. Who's dyno (and time) are you using for this? Real tuners who want a GREAT custom tune (not just a standard one) spend
hours on a dyno. It's pretty common knowledge to tuners btw.
And you want to charge people for this? You just killed your business idea, whether it's now, or 6 months from now. You act like you're going to command a $400 price tag, right here, right now. You don't even have a clue, IMO. You need to learn how to approach this and any other future business ideas you might have in a different manner. Good luck with your future endeavors.
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Vitamin E (AKA Eddie) wrote:And you guys actually wonder why we don't get new vendors making us parts. Why people are moving on from Jbodys. Why this site has a diminishing population of knowledgable people.
*sigh*
Because:
1) This car is a dying breed - the last one was made in 2005, damn near 5 years ago. Why would you create parts for a dying car. Look at point 2 if you want to compare it to musclecars.
2) This car was never created as a performance car or really meant to be modified - it's an economy car.
3) People who bought this car most likely didn't buy it to modify it (unlike other cars or sport compacts). Compare the number of JBO members to the millions of Jbody's made.
4) The majority of people who bought this car don't have much money. If you had more money, you would've bought a more expensive car. That said, many mods are very expensive to design and fabricate, so there's no point in creating an expensive mod if the people can't afford it. Some people who drive Z06's can afford $10k HRE's; most people who drive Jbody's can't. The wheels are more expensive than the damn car.
5) Many knowledgeable people are moving on because it's time to move on. Many had been in the Jbody car game for over 10 years. Cars are like clothes - you keep some, but the majority of them are thrown out and you buy new ones over the long term. You can't keep things like this, and keep yourself happy with it, forever.
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Vitamin E (AKA Eddie) wrote:Actually I did no such thing. You're still mad from Skunk's last post I guess. And I can understand that. I ripped you a new one. But, I never said I'm the new big man on campus. I simply started as saying I wanted to tune some cars. I have HPT, free time, knowledge, and tunes from an established tuner already to get me started. You knuckle heads came in here to preach the "I'm better then you are" attitude that you guys are famous for.
And you guys actually wonder why we don't get new vendors making us parts. Why people are moving on from Jbodys. Why this site has a diminishing population of knowledgable people. Take a hard look in the mirror. People like this hobby because it's supposed to be fun. You jack holes always make it NOT fun for anyone. Just stay out the thread if you don't want anything.
You douchebags are like the guys at the club that come to start a fight instead letting other people have a good time.
Mad over Skunk?? yeah ok. You ripped me one? Oh did not notice. Sorry, guess I should go back and read for that.
FU Tuning
OH MY F*CKING GOD!!!!!!! you guys are so cool. You know more than ever one. You live in Florida, the capitol of all car modding. You are awesome tuners. We should pay you for even posting in our threads.
Good enough??
I hope so. Cause I already said that if you want this damn thread to go away all you got to do is stop posting in here. But, this actually proves my "holier than thou" theories about you guys. It's over. You don't like it. End the thread and never post in here again. If you think you're going to get the last word, you're wrong. And if you think you're going to change my mind. You're also wrong. I don't really care what you guys think. You started this rant.
And who said
I don't have a WB? I'm not taking my WB out my car every other day. If a guy is spending money on a turbo setup and don't have a WB, that's a problem.
Buy another WB then, and tack it on to the price of your tunes. That's what I've seen most shops do, if you want to use their WB equipment. [/delete cocky "common knowledge btw" quote]
And why are you dying to have this thread move to the bottom? Because of all the negativity? Having this thread at the top (I'm pretty sure) doesn't bother any of us. It's not our "business", it's yours. If
you want it gone so bad, just ask the mods to delete it?
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Viper98912 wrote:Buy another WB then, and tack it on to the price of your tunes. That's what I've seen most shops do, if you want to use their WB equipment. [/delete cocky "common knowledge btw" quote]
And why are you dying to have this thread move to the bottom? Because of all the negativity? Having this thread at the top (I'm pretty sure) doesn't bother any of us. It's not our "business", it's yours. If you want it gone so bad, just ask the mods to delete it?
I use my wideband when I tune. I will not tune without a wideband just makes no sense.
FU Tuning
Dam guys why is everbody haters on this forum ???????????? the guy is up front he said hes not 100 %but looking for experience you choose to take the risk let peolpe decide thier self ! i hear allot of people talk about readings and tunes but i only see a few trying to help on this forum grow up guys you all act like your still in middle school with your GAY arguements . He said in the begining "a wideband is best " everybody knows this !
All im saying is if you dont have something helpful to say or something helpful to the people on the forum then shut up ! I dont see many of you trash talkers offering tuning ?? or for a small amount of money ?? john and viper back off .
Listen dont mind these guys on here who have to talk trash to make themselves look better you offer what you saying and stand behind it dont lower yourself to thier level or give them the satisfaction of a arguement .
if you arent spraying your just playing !!!
slowfire99 wrote:Dam guys why is everbody haters on this forum ???????????? the guy is up front he said hes not 100 %but looking for experience you choose to take the risk let peolpe decide thier self ! i hear allot of people talk about readings and tunes but i only see a few trying to help on this forum grow up guys you all act like your still in middle school with your GAY arguements . He said in the begining "a wideband is best " everybody knows this !
All im saying is if you dont have something helpful to say or something helpful to the people on the forum then shut up ! I dont see many of you trash talkers offering tuning ?? or for a small amount of money ?? john and viper back off .
Listen dont mind these guys on here who have to talk trash to make themselves look better you offer what you saying and stand behind it dont lower yourself to thier level or give them the satisfaction of a arguement .
What helpful thing did you add to this? Nothing.
Just so you know I do tuning for people. If I wanted to make myself look really good on here in this topic I would have said this:
I only charge $200 for tuning and I use my personal wideband (Lc-1) and install it on your car for the tuning session and tune your car. That $200 includes the credits which cost $99.98.
I will not tune without a wideband.
So I think most would agree my deal is better, but I was not going to say that until you came on here and said something.
FU Tuning
ok, I've ignored this thread because I was just waiting for it to die but here's an interesting point. Why are you sticking the WB in the tail pipe to tune? I assume you're sticking it in the end of the tail pipe since I don't think you weld in a bung and route wires to tune someone's car every time.
And try and answer it like a human being instead of a rabid dog on a short leash would you?
Well thats great you tune car for 200 why didnt you just put that in . Your right i didnt add to this thread i dont tune cars ,but tired of the stupid crap . I think you would agree we use the forum for infomation and help not to be slammed or argued with everytime we write somthing someone disagrees with . right ? there is alsp a way to put your 2 cents in and not sound like your starting a pissing match . I do agree with you 200 is a fair price seeing its a learnig experience and i also agree that he should use a wideband to be safe and to get the best tune . useing the narrowband is a chance and to be safe would need to be set rich in the end being a waste .
if you arent spraying your just playing !!!
Noone on here can tune like me.
Ya'll some posers.
I'm the real deal.
/bill@!#$
I assumed that cause most dyno shops I've been to use that technique, and since he only tunes on a dyno.......
