If you havn't figured it out yet... this is about the new smoking ban.
Does this piss anyone else off as much as It does me? I wasn't thinking about it and then I saw a commercial flaunting the "clean air act", and it was just to rub it in the faces of people like me that where against it. These people didn't pass this law to make life better for people, they did it, because these liberal bastards arn't happy unless they're making life suck for other people. I'm willing to bet that most people that voted for it don't even go to bars.
I agree with the no smoking in resturants.... but bars? come on.
Anyone else not going to the bar anymore because of this?
I'm wondering if you can still smoke in private clubs like the VFW pr American Leagion. Hell.. I'm a vet... I can join. You would think you still can since the bill is only for PUBLIC resturants and bars. Thats gotta be a loop hole people are overlooking. Anyone know for sure... If it turn out I'm right... I'm gunna start paying my dues at one of those places.
I don't smoke. There are a few bars in Eau Claire that are no smoking. I enjoy going to those bars. I can actually breath easily and not have my eyes burning anf puffy. I shouldn't have to breath in 2nd hand smoke and have my health negatively affected on the account of someone else's nasty habit.
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VFW halls & the like are no smoking now as well.
I appreciate the ban.... I guess smokers & non-smokers will always have a different view of things. Just my opinion though.
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I wouldn't group liberal media with non-smokers. Makes you sound ignorant.
I'm a non-smoker, but I support the right for people to smoke. Though I don't like being around it, I will support your right to do it.
Lurch wrote:I I'm a non-smoker, but I support the right for people to smoke. Though I don't like being around it, I will support your right to do it.
I agree,was going to say the same thing.
I don't mind supporting the right for someone to smoke. After all, it's a free country. I just think that they should have to do it in non-public places, or at least not in a confined area. I don't think it's fair to me that I have to breath in that @!#$ just because it's someone elses dirty habit. That alone is infrigning upon my rights by having to be exposed to it.
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i really dont care, i dont smoke, but i think it should be the owner, or person running a business to be the one to decide. i think its a dumb idea cuz its going to hurt business. if the business doesnt support smoking they should be the ones saying no smoking, or if they want a smoking bar, then go right ahead, those who dont want to be in the smoke will either tuff it up and go there or just go somewhere else. maybe they should ban farting in public places just cuz i dont like to smell it
this bill makes smokers a second-class citizen.
back in the day, if you were black, you had to go to a different place to eat too.
in mid century germany, if you were a jew, you couldn't live in the nice part of town.
That's why most bars (at least here in mankato) have built patios OUTSIDE. Now I have smoked on occasion (when Im wasted) and I don't mind walking the extra 20ft to go outside and have a cigarette. It's nice walking into a club now and not being engulfed in clouds of smoke. I'm all for people being able to smoke, but bitching about having to walk outside to have a cigarette is beyond me.
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gmanz24 wrote:maybe they should ban farting in public places just cuz i dont like to smell it
KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:this bill makes smokers a second-class citizen.
back in the day, if you were black, you had to go to a different place to eat too.
in mid century germany, if you were a jew, you couldn't live in the nice part of town.
This is where both of you viewpoints are flawed. To gmanz24, does farting affect anyone's health? No. Cigarette smoke, especially second hand smoke is factually proven to cause cancer which can lead to death. Farting does not...Not a valid argument.
And to Kevin, this in no way is making anyone a second-class citizen. When blacks were made to eat at different restaurants, ride in the back of the bus, etc., the discrimination was against their skin color which they couldn't change. It had nothing to do with their habits. Laws against people smoking in public is a completely different issue. Smokers have the choice to choose to smoke or not. Their choice determines whether or not the law/ordinance affects them. This is simply an invalid argument. Being black didn't negatively affect anyone's health...it was plain discrimination and is wrong. But smoking on the other hand does affect people in a negative way.
The comparisons that you both are making are simply not valid. When you sit down and really look at it, it doesn't make sense. The comparisons have no valid relationship. I'm not trying to start anything here, but rather try to introduce valid reasoning.
And then there is the biggest argument that smokers have. They say that people who don't like smoke simply shouldn't go to places that allow smoking. Well how fair is that? I shouldn't have to sacrifice going to a certain place on account of someone else's nasty habit that produces poor health effects. It's the SMOKER's action that is producing a poor environment. There is no action on my part that makes that place unhealthy. That's not fair at all. What other action can people legally do in public that negatively affects people's health? Nothing. Innocent people shouldn't have to breath in smoke b/c of someone else's choice, and no choice of their own. If smoker's want to smoke, fine. Just don't ruin my health at the same time. Do it in your car, at home, or in an unconfined area. If revenues and taxes weren't so high on cigarette sales, it wouldn't be legal. If you ever read recent studies, billions of dollars of healthcare dollars every year go toward treating people with smoking related diseases and illnesses. It's no wonder our healthcare system is so expensive. Sure, its due to a lot of other factors, but smoking related illnesses is HUGE. I still don't understand why smokers PAY to ruin their health. I just don't get it. To each their own. Just don't do it around me.
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ya i dont really care cuz i dont smoke and i hate smelling it. haha dont have to come home smelling like smoke after goin to the bowling alley or whatever.
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Cigarette smoke, especially second hand smoke is factually proven to cause cancer which can lead to death
show proof. what the media fails to tell you is that secondhand smoke is proven and known as a carcinogen; containing compounds known to cause cancer--but has not ever caused cancer of its own.
using your brakes releases the same amount of carcinogenic material into the air; i wonder how often people develop cancer from that?
and it's not about whether you're a smoker or nonsmoker. it's about being lied to, controlled, and told what you can and can't do, where and where not, and how you should live. that's what the scoop is. the point IS valid, because the government thought (at any level) that they had the power to tell the people what to do, and how to live their lives.
how fair is it to tell a business owner he can't allow a particular customer in because of a defining feature of the customer? black or smoker, it's segregation in it's core definition.
and billions of dollars into healthcare? who's dollars? what nationalized (read communist) healthcare system are you paying for? they're MY dollars! i'm paying them in tobacco taxes, AND my medical insurance. why are YOU concerned with how i spend MY money? moreover, why is the world telling everyone else how I spend my money?
if i'm at a public place, and I'm smoking, i sit outside. in my book, i've already given the nonsmokers enough courtesy. you don't like that i'm smoking, go inside. stop demanding clean air from me.
Weebel wrote:If you havn't figured it out yet... this is about the new smoking ban.
Does this piss anyone else off as much as It does me? I wasn't thinking about it and then I saw a commercial flaunting the "clean air act", and it was just to rub it in the faces of people like me that where against it. These people didn't pass this law to make life better for people, they did it, because these liberal bastards arn't happy unless they're making life suck for other people. I'm willing to bet that most people that voted for it don't even go to bars.
I agree with the no smoking in resturants.... but bars? come on.
Anyone else not going to the bar anymore because of this?
I'm wondering if you can still smoke in private clubs like the VFW pr American Leagion. Hell.. I'm a vet... I can join. You would think you still can since the bill is only for PUBLIC resturants and bars. Thats gotta be a loop hole people are overlooking. Anyone know for sure... If it turn out I'm right... I'm gunna start paying my dues at one of those places.
good news smoking has been proven to kill. there are absolutely no positive health benefits to smoking. you want to do it fine, do it where you wont impact my well being or the well being of others. if i wanted second hand i would light up myself. not everybody who goes out to the bar smokes or wants to be subjected to smoke and the adverse effects of it. when i go party it up or go out to enjoy a drink, or even just go shoot some pool or shuffel board i dont want to have breathe in the second hand sorry smoke up if you want but dont force others to have to breath it in. just my 2 cents
Nothing better than going out with friends to bars or restaurants and coming home smelling like a dogs azzhole, thanx smokers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope they ban it EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God this exploded since I've been gone.
btw... I happen to know that a few of you local guys smoke but I'm not going to say any names.
I know smoking is bad for me, and I'm honestly suprised that I started. Back when I started smoking I was in the military... I don't know how many of you have served your country but.... back then I didn't care if I lived or died anymore... I was actually disapointed when I woke up in the morning sometimes. Considering all the things I've done with no regard for my safety back then.. I'm lucky to be here. I fiqured I was going to get taken out by a road side bomb anyway so who cares... it's not like the cigarrets are going to have time to give me cancer. Although I came home a few days before my squadron got deployed and a few people I new and where friends with got killed... so my thoughts where valid... now that I'm addicted... I'm having a hard time quiting.
THATS THE REAON i SMOKE JUST IN CASE ANYONE WAS WONDERING... doesn't sound like such a stupid idea looking at it from that point of veiw now does it.
Back when you could smoke in resturants... I never did out of respect for the people I was with... I can't remember the last time I was in the smoking section of a resturant.
As for bars... the booze your drinking is going to destroy your liver before the smoke in the air destroys your lungs... beasides... no one goes to a bar for their health. I used to go to bars back when I didn't smoke and I never had a problem with people that did and the smoke didn't ever bother me as long as it wasn't dirrectly being blown in my face. Anyone thats says they shouldn't have to put if with it should'nt be in a bar to begin with... BECAUSE YOU KNOW DAM NEAR EVERYONE SMOKES IN BARS BEFORE YOU EVER WALK IN THE DOOR (well at least they used too). As far as anyone that says it bothers them as much as they do is over exagerating.
Weather you smoke or not... or if you beleive you shouldn't have to be around people smoking or not isn't the point. People are forgetting that smokers have the same rights as non smokers. Lately it seems like our governemt is trying to change that. The whole " I don't smoke since it's bad for you.. so you shouldn't either so I'm going to take it away from you" mentality is pure BS, and people that force there beliefs on others like that need to be shot.
I'm not grouping liberal media and non smokers together.. but right now... the liberals ar flaunting this ban and everyone can see it if their willing to admit it or not.
The point I was trying to make is this
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and it's not about whether you're a smoker or nonsmoker. it's about being lied to, controlled, and told what you can and can't do, where and where not, and how you should live. that's what the scoop is. the point IS valid, because the government thought (at any level) that they had the power to tell the people what to do, and how to live their lives.
I'm tired of big brother telling me what to do, was wondering how the other people I know here that smoke are fairing with this, and to find out about the private club thing (VFW and places like that).
what's the number one problem facing americans? obesity. what's second? alcohol. third, AIDS. fourth, drug abuse. fifth, crime related to drugs.
if the government can ban smoking in public places based on the principle that a PERSONAL choice is "hazardous" (yet still unproven) to a second person's health; maybe they should take a long hard look at these five.
they should ban fat people from being in public. they chose to eat and not workout; destroy their hearts and pancreas, and frankly, squeezing between two fat people in a movie theater, airplane, classroom, etc. could cause me to not be able to escape in case of an emergeny. so no fat people in public, they are a safety hazard.
alcohol. we hear all these wonderful stories about drunk drivers killing families and whatnot; but if the media can portray tobacco as leeching so much money out of healthcare (which i still don't understand; because I pay for my own healthcare), then alcohol should be banned based on the fact that alcoholism leads to psoriasis of the liver, liver failure, renal failure; puts soccer moms in the hospital, and apparently it drains the healthcare that I pay for myself.
sidenote on bars: what weebel said. people have been smoking in bars since before the ban, and you've been to a bar before the ban. shut up. you're stupid for pretending to think that the reason you stink after leaving a bar is because people were smoking and not because you're sweating out all the watered-down booze and hooker stink from "da club."
speaking of hooker-stink...AIDS anyone? there's a problem. not just AIDS, but all STDs in general. sex should be outlawed, because it spreads a disease that can kill you in four years. you can tough cancer out for ten years now with radiotherapy; but AIDS? no chance there; unless you're freaking magic johnson. HIV can remain latent and undetected for YEARS after infection; so all sex now is a gamble. HIV is smaller than the pores in latex rubber, so guess what; that's right, HIV can spread right through your condom. ban sex, because there's no saving us from the AIDS.
drugs, no brainer. marijuana causes obesity, heroin causes AIDS. nuff said.
crime, well, only the poor and those influenced by the drug culture are criminals according to mass media (enron, exxonmobil 1963, federal Jim Crow laws, scientology, OJ Simpson).
but yeah. smoking's bad.
Honestly, as a smoker, not being able to do so in bars and restruants doesnt really bother me. So I have to step outside for a few moments while I get one. Ok, thats fine. What really is starting to bother me is that now the non-smoking thing is starting to head OUTdoors. NJ and RI both have now placed smoking bans on public beaches. And its not even for the litter that smoking causes, its again, for people who are THAT health conscious.
And to add to KevinPs speech here about banning things, let ban sun tanning, since that is causing skin cancer as well.
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neongreencavi wrote: there are absolutely no positive health benefits to smoking.
I hate to say this b/c I can't stand cigarette smoke but I saw on the news a few months back that scientists discovered that there is ONE possitive outcome from smoking and it reduces your chances of getting Parkinson's disease.
I am one for the smoking ban in public places. I find it inconsiderate of other people when a smoker cannot step outside if they cannot resist.
this is really nothing new. Madison, WI did this a few years back. I used to smoke back then and i found out when i went to a Korn Concert there and tried to light up and a Security Guard pulled me aside and was ready to kick me out due to it. I've only been to one concert there since (Linkin Park) due to it. Nowadays, though I don't really smoke anymore. Actually I had my first smoke last week after like 6 months. Only picked it up due to high levels of stress. I refuse to smoke inside anywhere though. Its either my car or outside for me.
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ALL the points are void.
The government does not need to get involved in this! IF the individual business thinks it will help them to have no smoking, then let them do it. Why do we need to have the "all knowing government" tell us what we need to do?!
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KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:what's the number one problem facing americans? obesity. what's second? alcohol. third, AIDS. fourth, drug abuse. fifth, crime related to drugs.
if the government can ban smoking in public places based on the principle that a PERSONAL choice is "hazardous" (yet still unproven) to a second person's health; maybe they should take a long hard look at these five.
they should ban fat people from being in public. they chose to eat and not workout; destroy their hearts and pancreas, and frankly, squeezing between two fat people in a movie theater, airplane, classroom, etc. could cause me to not be able to escape in case of an emergeny. so no fat people in public, they are a safety hazard.
alcohol. we hear all these wonderful stories about drunk drivers killing families and whatnot; but if the media can portray tobacco as leeching so much money out of healthcare (which i still don't understand; because I pay for my own healthcare), then alcohol should be banned based on the fact that alcoholism leads to psoriasis of the liver, liver failure, renal failure; puts soccer moms in the hospital, and apparently it drains the healthcare that I pay for myself.
sidenote on bars: what weebel said. people have been smoking in bars since before the ban, and you've been to a bar before the ban. shut up. you're stupid for pretending to think that the reason you stink after leaving a bar is because people were smoking and not because you're sweating out all the watered-down booze and hooker stink from "da club."
speaking of hooker-stink...AIDS anyone? there's a problem. not just AIDS, but all STDs in general. sex should be outlawed, because it spreads a disease that can kill you in four years. you can tough cancer out for ten years now with radiotherapy; but AIDS? no chance there; unless you're freaking magic johnson. HIV can remain latent and undetected for YEARS after infection; so all sex now is a gamble. HIV is smaller than the pores in latex rubber, so guess what; that's right, HIV can spread right through your condom. ban sex, because there's no saving us from the AIDS.
drugs, no brainer. marijuana causes obesity, heroin causes AIDS. nuff said.
crime, well, only the poor and those influenced by the drug culture are criminals according to mass media (enron, exxonmobil 1963, federal Jim Crow laws, scientology, OJ Simpson).
but yeah. smoking's bad.
Ok, some a few of your points CAN affect others, but do you mean to tell me fat people are hazardous to others?! Give me a flipping break! Marijuana makes you fatter.... is this proven? Or may it just be known that it gives people the "munchies." I know a lot of people who do it and none of them are fat (maybe they're lucky?). Finally, can you tell the difference between smelling like cigarettes vs. sweat?! Ever smelled your clothes after going to a bar. Cigarettes have a DISTINCT smell, I've been around it all my life. If you can't take the extra 20 or so steps outside to light up, go f'' yourself. I don't get what all this bitching is about, are people really that f''in lazy to take it outside? Seriously, when I'm drunk I'll have a smoke every now and then. I have no problem walking outside to do it, it's not that hard to do.
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still i am not a smoker, but come on who the fawk wants to go outside here in MN when its below zero, just so they can light up. i say it should be up to the place of business or the buildings rule to allow smoking or to have a smoke free environment. if the bar says yes then they should be able to smoke, whereas if the library says no, then no u cannot smoke there. it should be as simple as that, done and done.
What do people do in the winter when they want to smoke in their car? They crazk their window... if you can stand the cold from that, you can get your ass outside and smoke. Mankato has been smoke free for quite awhile now and it has not affected businesses around here (specifically bars/clubs).
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