I was talking to a guy at the bowling alley I work at last night and he told me about his buddies shop: Twins Auto. He told me that one of the mechanics runs a Cavalier and street races at Epply Airfield. I know street racing is illegal, that's not what the topic is about. I wanted to know if anyone has ever tried Twins Auto or even heard of it. If so, let me know anything that may be useful (ie. prices, products, labor time, etc). All help on this is appreciated. I'll probably go down their this weekend anyway, however, I'm curious to know and I don't have time to check it out. I'm pressed for time now. Actually I'm in school right now. I checked them out online, and they offer a lot of good things, but have no specifics. I don't know what they will charge for a new exhaust or anything like that. I contacted them, and should hear back from them around 4:30 or so, but I don't know. If anyone knows about them, please update me on them. Thanks again.

uhm, i dont see how having one of the mechanics racing at street racing gives them a good rep?? anybody can street race, a lot do it with completly stock cars, so what gives??

not saying the place is bad by any means, just think you should get to know them and such before you let them work on your car.

I know who you're talking about.. He registered on NeStreetScene.
http://www.myspace.com/ajskupa

Runs a turbo kit on his cavalier, it is quite a hackjob and last I heard he blew the turbo he was using but he makes it work so props I guess

But anyways Kyle I dont know why you're such a moron. JUST LIKE EVERYONE TOLD YOU ON NESTREETSCENE, YOUR CAR HAS NO POTENTIAL ..

And just like I told you.. If you build the @!#$ out of your car with huge boost and slicks you will probably only make at best a high 14 second pass which equates to an eco or twin cam cav with very minor bolt ons.

Anything you do to the car including putting a fart can on it is just a waste of your (parents) money and time.

Pay it off sell it and buy something with potential.. hell you'd fit right in with the honda boys.


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Wow.... Ok... First off, it may not be able to run against all your tuned cars. I don't care what you say about it not having potential. What is it that you have against Sunfires? Mine in particular? Jesus, I'm 17 and am trying to get my FIRST car to have some power in it so I can learn on it. Hell, I'd much rather do it that way than get a Dodge Neon SRT-4 and wreck it because I don't know how to handle it. See what I'm saying? It's not that I want the fastest j-body around. It's not that I don't WANT a fast car. Believe me, I'm already looking into getting a new car. Probably a Neon. I don't know yet, but for the time being, I am stuck with the Sunfire. Obviously people here are getting decent times or feel they are. I just want it to be a fun street car that I can take to the track. Damn....

Better yet, check out the thread I have on streetfire.net. It's 35 pages long. People telling me the same thing: "buy a better car." That tells me it has little potential. But as someone on it said, "He want's to have a fun street car that he can race at the track." That's all I really want. Not for an 11, or even a 12, second car. I'm working with what was given to me. At least give me the benifit of the doubt and HELP me instead of waisting my time with your posts flaming the car.

The thread is here: http://forums.streetfire.net/showthread.php?p=264811#post264811

This is what was said on streetfire concerning me and my car....


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Originally Posted by Lakewood
I would keep it stock and save for a car with more potential. Modding a 4 door automatic FWD car just kind of seems pointless IMO.



CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

u r the 100th person to have said that same exact thing.

u win a cookie...

And I'm pretty sure if I spend enough money and get an ECOtec 2400 swap with an MP62 supercharger (Eaton hybrid), GMPP head, SLP header, y-split into dual 2.5" pipes all the way to the back to Magnaflow mufflers with 2.5" outlets, I should be pretty well off. If memory serves me right.... I think I was told right.

wow.... just wow.

those guys at streetfire are EXTREMLY nice, if you posted that here... you would get the FLAMING of a lifetime man... come on here.

i'll try to be as nice as i can....

nissan motors in a frickn j-body?? not going to happen without some MAJOR cash flow and an extreme knowledge of all things mechanical. not to mention, wtf 4? sure it would be neat, but why not just buy the right car for the motor swap and be faster cuz its RWD?

first off... u really shouldnt be worried about performance if "money is an issue" sure, you can get away with buying some lil mods here n there... but on a 2200, its not going to make much difference, if you had a 5spd i could see doing it, but not an auto.

and as for plans of swapping an ecotec 2.4 in... wow, good luck, i think it would pretty freakn hard as its got VVT. now, ppl have swapped the ecotec 2.2 into these newer (00+) cars just fine and have had EXTREMLY good luck, that fastest N/A ecotec 2.2 car on this website was originally a 2200 car. this swap is fairly easy as so ive read, just takes time, patientice and quite a few parts. def. not for somebody with "money is an issue" problems.

if i were you, id get a cheap intake, header and full exhuast, engine mounts and a nitrous kit.

Kyle Norton wrote:u r the 100th person to have said that same exact thing.

Can all 100 people be wrong

And as far as your Ecotec swap is concerened.. Either you or whoever told you that is a moron.. probably both.
-Its a 2.4 not a 2400, get the OHV syndrome out of your head.
-Its got like 11:0 1 compression and you think you're gonna slap a supercharger on that
-How are you going to tune this?
-What in the @!#$ is the GM Performance Parts head consist of? I want the specs
-You want to put duals on a 4 cylinder car?

In other words you obviously dont know what the @!#$ you're doing. Dont try to come on here with the "I'm just 17 act" @!#$ when I was 17 I ALREADY had at least 2,000$ into my car and it was nitrous'd. And I went to school full time. You act like just because you're young you have an excuse to act like a retard.




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my girlfriend has a 2200 sunfire.......
gobs of potential......................................................................

Ok, so much for flaming.... Right. Well I'll "defend" myself here....

1) I AM 17, but I haven't spent 7 years reading up on cars, motors, blah blah blah.
2) I'm not you, so having $2,000 plus nitrous in your car is not the same.
3) I know very little about cars, if you checked the forum, you would know that. That's why I'm trying to find things out. But thanks to inconsiderate pricks like you, that's damn near impossible anymore.
4) My first job I got paid $6 an hour and MAYBE worked about.... 12 hours a week... Not a lot of money when I have parents that make me pay for nearly anything I want to do.
5) People have asked worse questions on here, and I didn't see them getting flamed.
6) Jesus f***ing Christ.... You had to have started out at the beginning did you not? I believe you did. I'm just starting to learn on cars and figure out what the damn terms mean and all that crap. I'm sorry for not knowing all there is to know about j-body cars. I'm sorry I don't read every car magazine I can get my hands on. I'm sorry you "wasted your time" with some "moron" like me.
7) I don't need some dick telling me that I'm a moron just because I'm trying to figure things about my own car out.

I'm done now. I'll put in what I feel I need to put in, and to hell with you flamers and your flaming. I don't need it. I don't care if I get banned for this.... I really don't. I'll just stay where I can actually get decent information and people that are willing to actually HELP.

1. I am 19 I havent trade up @!#$

2. You defintly arent me, you'll never be as fly

3. NO @!#$.. I can tell by the post you make you dont know @!#$ so why do you act like you do.. such as this post "ECOtec 2400 swap with an MP62 supercharger (Eaton hybrid), GMPP head, SLP header, y-split into dual 2.5" pipes all the way to the back to Magnaflow mufflers with 2.5" outlets"

4. My first Job I made 5.15 and only worked 16 hours a week.. I started when I was 14 so if you didnt thats your fault for not getting on your job.

5. People have asked worse questions and dont get flamed because they dont ask the same question on *at least* 3 different message boards.

6. I did start off somewhere.. and you are doing better than me.. I just wanted to make my car look fast you actually want to make it fast. so props to you on that.

I'm really not trying to flame you but you make it hard when you say you want your car to be fast and you arent willing to spend any kind of substantial cash. Even after over 100 people told you that it would take a buttload of cash to make your car fast.

Here is a formula for success you need to live by from now on ok..... Speed Costs money, how fast can you afford to be?


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Ok, first off, I was quoting what someone else had said in the StreetFire thread. Second, I asked in three different forums because I wanted to see what it was going to take and what kind of things I should get. Thanks for the props. But understand something, I'm still TRYING to learn the stuff. I can't learn when the people I ask are being asses which makes learning anything, or helping me WANT to learn anything through forums, or anyone else for that matter, harder to do. All I wanted was for some advice. And the topic of THIS thread was if anyone had even heard of Twins Auto, not about how little I know about my car. I'm waiting to start my two NEW jobs. They both pay a lot better so I'm not AS worried about money.

Now if you're going to actually HELP me, do so. I'm planning on scrapping the project anyone. Appearantly no one, except a very few, thinks it has potential and they think by getting a better car, I would be better off. Yet no one has even suggested a car that I should look into. I am taking the advice of StreetFire and looking into a Cobalt SS s/c. Seems like a pretty decent car, but from what I'm told, very few mods are available. I don't want a Honda Civic because everyone and their mothers has a Civic. I'm looking to make about 8-10 grand this year with the two jobs. I'm getting ready to graduate from High School. College is cheap where I'm going so my parents will help me with that.

Suggestions I'll actually accept:
- New car to get
- Mods for my current car
- Places to go to get them done

'Suggestions' I'll ignore:
- Flaming me for anything I have said until now
- Telling me how little "potential" my car actually has
- Telling me I'm a moron because I know little about cars
- Telling me I'm a moron because I didn't "spend enough time in the newbie forum"


I'll greatly accept any help from people that are willing to be helpful, in a helpful way.

stick with a j-body man, buy an 02 z24, slap on a GMSC 2.4 kit, add some bolt-ons here n there, get some good VCM tuning and you'll be just fine. or if you like the newer style get an 03-05 (which i may add ppl have found 05 cavaliers with under 10 miles on them and paid like $8,000 for them) the ecotec engine has a TON more aftermarket support, a better GMSC kit, and i do believe they are somewhat more reliable. but i myself would rather have a 2.4

Didnt mean to flame, just screwin around. I understand exactly where you are with your decisions. However, money is always the first thing needed when even thinking about making a faster car. I dont want to hear anymore sob stories about how little money, job experience, earnings etc. If you want things, you have to do whatever you can to get them. Me for example, at 18 decided, I wanted to have a nice cavalier. I bought one. I had to switch jobs to construction, for money and bettering the lives of me, my lady, and my daughter. I am now 21, with money, a child, and a supercharged ecotec cavalier. You have to work your F***ING ass off to get what you want. You have to realize deep down inside, that your car doesnt have the best platform to do really anything with. Your, next step could be to get that ss sc you like. There is aftermarket support for that car, that you could work with, but again, it takes money, plus a 400 dollar a month car payment. As far as twins auto go, they put a bobcat turbo and manifold on a 03 eco cav, with no tuning, and blew it up. Last I heard, they put a 150 shot of nitrous on it, and blew it up yet again. To me, I would say stick with places that are proven, such as sublime, hpmotorsports, hell even chad from 3d motorsports would do quality work for you. Its up to you, your will, and your pocketbook, to decide what should be in your future.

If you want to learn about motors there is no better way than buying a turbo DSM (Talon, Eclipse etc.)
You will be a full blown(no pun intended) mechanic in less than 3 months


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Alright, much better. Thanks. I'll look into that. As for the car... What is the difference between my car and yours other than the obvious engine (w/o mods) and tranny?

You have a Cavilier right? Aren't Cavies and Sunfire's pretty much the same thing?

Kyle Norton wrote:You have a Cavilier right? Aren't Cavies and Sunfire's pretty much the same thing?

I cant speak for the others but my 05 is the lightest ever made.


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ok aso i stopped reading like halfway down when all the meassages started getting really long lol but yea i have an 04 cavalier 5 spd w just basic mods and i have alot of fun w it so what i suggest doing is going to like midas or sumwhere to get an exhaust bent for u if u dnt want to buy one they did my first one for like 130 bucks and it was a 2.25in all u gotta do is supply the muffler they u should look into getting an intake it doesnt need to b an aem or nehtin glike that the way i see it is an intake is an intake it just depends on the filter used and the pipe sizing and how many bends r in it. the next definite thing is lowering springs u dnt HAVE to goet coilovers personally if ur not goin to road race or sumthing its not gonna b worth it except for looks casue i dnt like the daily ride lol then maybe motor mounts then upgrading the headlights 30 bucks to silvania super blues, after that maybe sum interior upgrades ie stereo maybe sum dress up items on the engine would help and i mean yeah u can spend the uber amount of money to swap it out for a 2.2 ecotec motor but is it worth it????...and i mean when people tell u it doesnt have potential thats becasue they r basing it off of what they think is potential do what u wanna do as for another car srt-4, 2g eclipse/talon, i hate to say this but...honda lol i mean u can leanr everything u need to know from these cars they have a @!#$ ton of potential if u have the right amount of money and enough time well theres my 2 cents

cavmania wrote:

Kyle Norton wrote:You have a Cavilier right? Aren't Cavies and Sunfire's pretty much the same thing?

I cant speak for the others but my 05 is the lightest ever made.

lol i will garentee you that my 97z24 weighs less mine didnt come with options at all. no cruise, no rear defrost, the ONLY things it does have are the z24 body kit, 2.4 engine, and the 'z24' side moldings.

lol and since THEN, ive deleted quite a bit more...

entire heating assembly from under dash
entire AC assembly
wiper motor-all that crap including the fluid resurvoir
back seat (part that folds down)
spare tire/jack
swiss cheesed front and rear bumper supports

lol, even with my fat ass in the car, i bet it doesnt weigh 2600...

lol. That's funny. Well, I'll deffinately look into the Eclipse. They are really nice looking cars and it would really piss my brother off because it's his favorite car. Lol. They are pretty nice. I will look into the perfomance aspect of them as well. Thanks. Keep the advice coming. You said Midas does exhaust pipe bending for 130? That's pretty cheap. Does that include installation too or what? Like I said, I'll deffinately look into the Eclipse. Talons.... I wouldn't know what dealership to look at first. I have seen a few in Bellevue, but not too many. I don't know where exactly to look. And ideas? Thanks guys. I'll head out to Metro Mitsubishi later today and check out that specs and prices.

those new eclipses with the 3.8L 6 cyl. haul ASS

Yeah, but I don't really like the body style all that much. Too curvey for my taste. I'm sure it really cuts down on wind resistance, but still. I'm looking into an '05 tonight.

I have a 2-1/4 inch crush bent catback, with a nice apexi ws2 for $100, that would fit the cavy. As far as the real honda killa, I wouldnt pay much attention, as you never want to lower a car on stock struts. Get hid's instead of silverstars, a nice exhaust, nice coilover/strut combo, cheap intake, maybe a header, some wheels and tires, and you would have a decently clean streetable car that is still decently fun to drive around. As far as eclipses go, in my opinion, the 3rd and 4th gen eclipses dont really fall into my category as an eclipse, mainly because of them getting away from the 4g63. My taste is different than others though.

I got a guy that is selling his '97 Eclipse for $4000. Should I look into it, if it's not already gone? It's tuned already. He races with it. 118,000 miles....