What do you guys think are the best cams for a N/A ecotec engine? I want some extra power out of my engine but I do drive it 70 miles a day to school and back. I need a cam profile not to aggressive but worth the money. I was thinking either the Level Zero stage 1, or the Level Zero Triflows. My ultimate goal is to get something with a little more intake duration, put some 34lb injectors and a fpr and try to force some more fuel into the engine. As of now I have an intake, 62mm throttle, and complete exhaust with header. Ron(shifted), will be tuning my car in about two weeks so theres some more potential there. Let me know if I'm on my way to reaching 200hp N/A. Also anyone doing a grop purchase on either of these cams? Thanks
if its between stage1s and triflows, go triflow hands down
I will be running these cams for a few weeks without hp tuners. Will the triflows give me any problem on a stock ecu.
It shouldnt, but dont take my word for it because I dont have these cams installed in my car.
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04 Cavalier LS Sport- Red with factory silver stripes.
16.186 @ 86.98mph
I like the Comp Cams because of their history, but LZM has a good reputation with their cams too. Look at PJ and Owen.
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5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
I just installed my comp stage 2 cams earlier today. So far so good. I havent had any codes after driving 12 miles. The drivability is just as good as stock if you ask me and the low end is just as good too. It lopes at idle and I havent opened it up yet due to the break in period required. you should check these out.
Enthusiast wrote:I just installed my comp stage 2 cams earlier today. So far so good. I havent had any codes after driving 12 miles. The drivability is just as good as stock if you ask me and the low end is just as good too. It lopes at idle and I havent opened it up yet due to the break in period required. you should check these out.
Make sure you keep us, and especially me, updated on these cams. Your the first person to post about having them installed from the 5 sets I've sold. LOL.
Any chance you can post up the grind cards that came with the cams? I forgot to Xerox the ones with your cams so I could list them accurately on my site. If you have no clue what I'm talking about I'll get in touch with you later today.
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5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
how is the overlap on the come stage 2? I still want to keep low end torque. In response to Enthusiast are you running any fuel mods? Do you have a stock tune? Let us know how they are when you finally open it up!
I finally opened it up
. I am surprised how well these cams make power. its very linear with good low end and top end. after ~4half, 5ish, my eyes water with joy. I have HP tuners. so far i did some VE tunning and got my AFR to 12.5. trying to aim for 13 afr. I have no fuel mods though, but I have set my eyes on some 335cc injectors since my injector duty was at 98%. Regular driving is like stock if you ask me, I half throttled to pass a yellow light and it pulled well. Good thing about it is that I have no check engine light yet.
I got my comp stage II's in today. I can post up the info you want Ryne.
they will hopefully be in the motor and running in 2 weeks.
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Comp Cams Stage II
intake
advance duration @ .006: 258
duration @ .050: 216
valve lift: .440
exhaust
advance duration @ .006: 262
duration @ .050: 218
valve lift: .436
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Hey. Any opinions in comp stage 3 vs lzm triflows which is the same as jbp stage 3 correct? Which nets the most power, top and low? From what I've seen the specs are pretty much identical. However stage 3 from comp requires valvetrain upgrade not sure about triflows.
Which one is recommended the most?
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02ECOTECIMPORTKILLER wrote: However stage 3 from comp requires valvetrain upgrade not sure about triflows
all aftermarket cams, stage 1-3 etc etc need valve spring upgrades.
i personally am running stage 1s, peak power around 6800 rpm. i found em to be pretty good, seems to keep the power a little lower in the rpm range. mind you i only bought em because i got a great deal on them.
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I plan on running comp stage 3s n/a while my new motor goes through its break in phase and I source together the rest of m62 kit, but as said, I would upgrade valvesprings with ANY aftermarket cam...I think the stock springs can barely handle stock cams, lol. Supertech 78lb springs are a good choice.
Paul K wrote:02ECOTECIMPORTKILLER wrote: However stage 3 from comp requires valvetrain upgrade not sure about triflows
all aftermarket cams, stage 1-3 etc etc need valve spring upgrades.
i personally am running stage 1s, peak power around 6800 rpm. i found em to be pretty good, seems to keep the power a little lower in the rpm range. mind you i only bought em because i got a great deal on them.
This. And like Matt said, the supertech 78lb kit is great.
As far as what profile to run, obviously any of the off the shelf grinds will yield a gain AFTER tuning, but what you want to consider is how much power your looking for (you mentioned 200 hp n/a), and where you want that power. Also, the more overlap, the more your economy is going to suffer. Some people don't care about that, and some do. You mentioned it's a daily driver so i'm assuming that's a concern. If it was a weekend car, not meant for daily driver duty, i'd say comp stage 3 all the way. If you want some extra kick while maintaining economy and decent low end, triflows or comp stage 1. Just my two cents...
I am running a set of custom colt cams, close to comp stage 3 specs but better than stage 2's! I noticed a huge difference after tuning it. However, I don't have an upgraded valvetrain and I push the car to its 7.1 k limit all the time. Granted, the car has been driven maybe 800 miles since 2008! I have known about supertech and that is probably what I will buy. Its about $400 on ebay! I make power close to 7 K; I have new mods and will be re-tuning soon. If I pull and should pull power over 7 K then I would temporarily have to shift at 7 or 7100 rpm not matter how much more hp there is to pull in the rev band until I upgrade the valvesprings. Any idea what a shop to charge to install a valvetrain? I guess having to re-time the cams etc would also be part of the labor.
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Tri-Flow Grind
Primary Int-268, .418L
Sec Int-262, .417L
EXH-262, .417L
I cant say enough good things about these cams,Worked great on my N/A set up,And now really works well with the S/C setup,Power comes on strong from 3000RPM right up to 7100RPM..Cant wait to get the new head on the car and smaller pulley with ported housing..
Stupid question, but where are people buying the triflow grind? LZM doesn't seem to carry them anymore.
