What would be the easiest and cheapest way(besides nitrous) to get to 250-275 hp outta my ln2 thanks
Besides trade it for something with a V-8 built 15-yrs ago...?
Go beyond the "bolt-on".
LN2 F/I Top 10
Standing Name HP TQ Dyno Type
1 Ryan Egleston 372.06 376.88 Dynojet Turbo 2200
2 Adler 275.00 306.00 Mustang Turbo 2200
3 sYn 260.35 250.36 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 13 psi
4 Ryan Chipley 198.60 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 9 psi
5 Chris Buynack 185.00 218.00 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 9 psi
6 Alex Richards 177.9 194.8 Dynojet 2200 Turbo @13psi Auto with a @!#$ tune
7hpm 169.90 210.60 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 8 psi
turbo is probably your best option. i'd say anything 250+ would require a fairly decent amount of work and $$. let some LN2 guys comment though.
i'd start by doing a search on here for some of those guy's names and check out their builds.
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Chip Helmick wrote:easiest and cheapest way
Get out of that line of thinking and then it will be possible.
Mike wrote:Chip Helmick wrote:easiest and cheapest way
Get out of that line of thinking and then it will be possible.
This is very true.
The motor is perfectly capable of those numbers & plenty higher but it takes work to get any n/a 4 cylinder, reliably, to around double its original power level.
This motor isn't created for performance so it will take a lil more effort to get some big results from it, but it is capable. RESEARCH.
Cheap is never an option, when trying to get a small economy 4 cylinder up to those high HP numbers.
I have been building my car for over 4+ years, and have over 15K into it, but I also have some over the top custom pieces, that the average build would not need.
If your really serious about building what you have, get another car for a DD, because nothing will ever go as planned when you build.
Also please use the search button intensely, there is a plethera of information on this org, that has helped me and many others build the 2200s.
The people who usually build the 2200 go all the way or nothing, so most of the builders on here would be able to tell you the ins and outs of these motors.
easy
cheap
any jbody motor
250 + whp
i dont think i've ever heard those words used in the same sentence.......... except when you add "and now its blown up"
HRC turbo kit with a 16g upgrade and the LD9 reflash + a lot of professional tune time. There. Done. Not make it happen.
Damn you guys. No wonder people hate coming on here for advise.It has been proven this power level can be done on a stock LN2 and be reliable. I think oldskool said it best.
Still not to say it would be best to do a bottem end build. Or have a daily so it does not matter if you mess things up.
I will admit the problem is most Jbody owners will not do things right, or take the advise, but doesn't mean we should not give it.
FU Tuning
Waiting to see a Ass Whoopin wrote:Damn you guys. No wonder people hate coming on here for advise.It has been proven this power level can be done on a stock LN2 and be reliable. I think oldskool said it best.
Still not to say it would be best to do a bottem end build. Or have a daily so it does not matter if you mess things up.
I will admit the problem is most Jbody owners will not do things right, or take the advise, but doesn't mean we should not give it.
Hardly any newb will do anything right.
I have re-done my setup 3 times, since I was a newb at one time too.
But now that im doing it right, it wont have to be done again.
Also, who would spend $200+ for extra PCV ventilation, bungs, fittings and -10AN lines.
----- ME ----- someone who wants something done right.
Waiting to see a Ass Whoopin wrote:Damn you guys. No wonder people hate coming on here for advise.It has been proven this power level can be done on a stock LN2 and be reliable. I think oldskool said it best.
Still not to say it would be best to do a bottem end build. Or have a daily so it does not matter if you mess things up.
I will admit the problem is most Jbody owners will not do things right, or take the advise, but doesn't mean we should not give it.
but when it was proven was it done easily and for cheap?
you missed that whole part... =P
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Even bolting a "turbo kit" up isn't entirely plug and play or necesarily "easy" especially for a beginner.. mine involved quite a bit of customization... and if the OP has to ask how you would get that much power, than I would guess that he isn't familiar with a whole lot mechanically and needs to do a lot of research to have the knowledge and ability to go forth and turbocharge an n/a vehicle, and do it reliably.
We all want to save money where we can, but to want to go over double a car's natural/stock power range, you can't expect to do it cheaply if you want it done right.
Speedline02 (GME Chat!!) wrote:Waiting to see a Ass Whoopin wrote:Damn you guys. No wonder people hate coming on here for advise.It has been proven this power level can be done on a stock LN2 and be reliable. I think oldskool said it best.
Still not to say it would be best to do a bottem end build. Or have a daily so it does not matter if you mess things up.
I will admit the problem is most Jbody owners will not do things right, or take the advise, but doesn't mean we should not give it.
but when it was proven was it done easily and for cheap?
you missed that whole part... =P
I don't think I did miss the point. The setup that made that kind of power was not soo hard to copy. If you are going to go turbo you know your going to spend some money period.
Because others have done it and proven it makes it easier for the next person.
FU Tuning
It can be done cheap. I think Josh (notec) did his turbo kit for like $200. But he wasnt pushing 275.
Quiklilcav wrote:Do you want to do it cheap, or do you want to do it easy? Because it's going to be one or the other, and it's only going to be cheap if you have skills.
Exactly, cheap and easy requires TONS of research, and skills that can take years to acquire (or, friends who have such skills).
Mike wrote:It can be done cheap. I think Josh (notec) did his turbo kit for like $200. But he wasnt pushing 275.
Yeah, more like 200hp. Unfortunately, I cheaped out on tuning, and paid the price. Now that things like Innovate, HPTuners and Megasquirt are around, and tuning doesn't require $1000+ AEM of F.A.S.T. standalones and $500+ wideband sensors, tuning is no longer a valid excuse. You will notice now that anytime anyone asks the "what do I need to turbo my LN2" question, I always say HPTuners (for 97+) and top-feed (for 97-) before I'll give any further advice. Get those to prove you're serious, and then get back to us.
fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Did anyone every think that when someone says cheap that they do not mean everything for $200 cheap, but the cheapest route. Meaning instead of a Hahn 3k kit a 1500-1800 kit pieced together??
FU Tuning
Waiting to see a Ass Whoopin wrote:Did anyone every think that when someone says cheap that they do not mean everything for $200 cheap, but the cheapest route. Meaning instead of a Hahn 3k kit a 1500-1800 kit pieced together??
haha lol, my exhaust cost about $1800, but thats what you get when its %100 s/s with V-band flanges, QTP electronic cut out, borla xr-1, DNA street series, and two vibrant resonators.
Just my turbo was $750, my intercooler was $500, pistons and rods $750, fuel system $700, HKS SSQV $200, and thats not nearly enough to even think about starting a "kit"
I think I should just stop posting in here, because no matter what, if you want to do it right, it will easily cost you over 3k.
If you use used parts, you might be able to save a little, but I would much rather have the new products
BLTNBSTD (FKA Phil Lindsay) wrote:Waiting to see a Ass Whoopin wrote:Did anyone every think that when someone says cheap that they do not mean everything for $200 cheap, but the cheapest route. Meaning instead of a Hahn 3k kit a 1500-1800 kit pieced together??
haha lol, my exhaust cost about $1800, but thats what you get when its %100 s/s with V-band flanges, QTP electronic cut out, borla xr-1, DNA street series, and two vibrant resonators.
Just my turbo was $750, my intercooler was $500, pistons and rods $750, fuel system $700, HKS SSQV $200, and thats not nearly enough to even think about starting a "kit"
I think I should just stop posting in here, because no matter what, if you want to do it right, it will easily cost you over 3k.
If you use used parts, you might be able to save a little, but I would much rather have the new products
Obviously what you find 'necessary', others may have different opinions on. For instance, I have no reason to run a stainless exhaust since I live in rust-free Phoenix. Stainless is simply a whole lot of extra $$$ for no practical benefit.
Also, I'd hardly consider pistons and rods as 'necessary' for a 275hp 'kit'. Even if I did, I really don't think the set I got used from Adler's part-out will be any less durable than what you bought new for 3x the price.
I don't doubt that your build will be reliable while putting down impressive #'s, it's just that most people building J's (and especially the LN2) aren't willing to shell out that kind of cash...
fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Jon D wrote:LN2 F/I Top 10
Standing Name HP TQ Dyno Type
1 Ryan Egleston 372.06 376.88 Dynojet Turbo 2200
2 Adler 275.00 306.00 Mustang Turbo 2200
3 sYn 260.35 250.36 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 13 psi
4 Ryan Chipley 198.60 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 9 psi
5 Chris Buynack 185.00 218.00 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 9 psi
6 Alex Richards 177.9 194.8 Dynojet 2200 Turbo @13psi Auto with a @!#$ tune
7hpm 169.90 210.60 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 8 psi
turbo is probably your best option. i'd say anything 250+ would require a fairly decent amount of work and $$. let some LN2 guys comment though.
i'd start by doing a search on here for some of those guy's names and check out their builds.
We will be adding my name to this list very very shortly.
hopefully above 7 for those numbers may as well drive a boosted miata
Josh G. wrote:Jon D wrote:LN2 F/I Top 10
Standing Name HP TQ Dyno Type
1 Ryan Egleston 372.06 376.88 Dynojet Turbo 2200
2 Adler 275.00 306.00 Mustang Turbo 2200
3 sYn 260.35 250.36 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 13 psi
4 Ryan Chipley 198.60 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 9 psi
5 Chris Buynack 185.00 218.00 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 9 psi
6 Alex Richards 177.9 194.8 Dynojet 2200 Turbo @13psi Auto with a @!#$ tune
7hpm 169.90 210.60 Dynojet Turbo 2.2 @ 8 psi
turbo is probably your best option. i'd say anything 250+ would require a fairly decent amount of work and $$. let some LN2 guys comment though.
i'd start by doing a search on here for some of those guy's names and check out their builds.
We will be adding my name to this list very very shortly.
I will be added to that list too once my tune is done.
Im hoping to "oust" Ryan from #1, lol even though he is going to help me ouf with my tune.
Maybe high 300 this year, but im going for 400+ next year.
Boost, Meth and Nitrous, should be an interesting combo.
I refer you guys to this:
LN2 Blower
Now, I don't know what you may have spent to get your "J" initially... but in terms of "simple, bolt-on big-power adder", you can't go wrong with this. It's far less tempermental setup for an engine than a turbo without a MAF (<-The savior of factory-built turbo-cars) and
"right-there" in terms of off-idle power & response.
These guys are our
brothers. Maybe not of the same body-type, but certainly of the same heart... And we should share knowledge of our common interest with them, as brothers should.
Go beyond the "bolt-on".
