i got a 2.2 ln2 in a 97 cav but i was staring at the ecotec and the 2.4 and i dont know @!#$ of either of any of these engines so the question is has any one done a 4g63 engine swap from a eclipse wrecked or engine bought seperate for an attempt of the swap
i only ask because the were i am at are eclipse that are wrecked and the ones on the street selling are still high in price plus i am turbo hungry and this is the first car i own that doesnt really have much for turbos
to answer your question no noone has ever done that swap. my opinion would be to swap a ecotec in to in and that engine has plenty of aftermarket support (ie superchargers, turbos) whatever you really want it is a great engine with multiple possiblities for boost
its been done in a beretta...
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There is a Geo Storm with Quad 4 in it somewhere around Mi.
there is a geo storm in SD with a l67 in it
my kill list:a geo metro and a mac semi wow did i kill that thing
ive got a friend that has a dodge colt that has a 4g63t that runs 12's
Yeah, but the Colt he probably has (like around '89 or so) is really a Mitsubishi rebadged as a Dodge. A 4G63 practically drops right in because it was probably equippedwith a Mitsubishi 4g61 to begin with. Putting such an engine into a J-body would require major fabrication.
if i pull out the tranny with it and the ecu and wires and engine and the drive shafts and the mounts what else would there need to be done to the swap
andreas ridgway wrote:if i pull out the tranny with it and the ecu and wires and engine and the drive shafts and the mounts what else would there need to be done to the swap
No one knows because no one has done it. Even though a eco swap is more complex in a pre-00 J, it will still be easier than the 4g61 swap(due to most of the info you need is on this site). Plus the eco also allows you to use the turbo set up off a 03+ Saab 9-3 and the new Cobalt SS/TC and the supercharger from the old Cobalt SS/SC.
Read this site and learn about the LD9 or L61 platforms. Both are very capable of make reliable power and will be a cheaper swap than a 4g61.
Why has not anyone posed a pic yet?
Chris
'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08
What it all basically comes down to is fabrication and wiring and more fabrication. If you wanted to do it it would take a lot. If you could find someone to make you mounts and put it in the car and some how figure out how to make the axles mate up to the Jbody hubs and figure out how to set up the clutch and shifter your job is only half done. Next you would have to make it run. if you dont have emisions in your area then your lucky you can spend a bunch of money on a standalone. If you have emissions you have to figure out how to make that obdII work in the Jbody and im still not sure it would pass since the car would think its an eclipse. Next you would probably have to rewire the rest of the car so it will work without the Jbody computer and im sure you would need to use after market guages. This is just my speculation of the easiest way and I probably forgot a bunch.
Honestly If you are gonna go through all of this you might as well swap in a 3800 and turbo that. For the less work(still a lot) you would get a ton more power.
Realistically go with an eco if wanna do a motor swap or piece together your own kit and turbo the 2.2.
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:Why has not anyone posed a pic yet?
Chris
There you go Chris
To the OP, why not put this in there?
It should be just as easy as the 4G63T
dude i didnt give you permission to use my house as a pic lol. totally awesome pic
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sell your car, buy a 1g.....call it a day.
also to the crank walk posters, if he gets a 1G A he not only doesn't have to worry about crank walking but can rock 400 whp stock motor unlike us still on 91 octane.
go with a 1g my friend.
dont put dsm crap in a gm car, especially not when you can have something 10x more reliable like an eco
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
K. Vega..Mr. M62 L61 himself. wrote:also to the crank walk posters, if he gets a 1G A he not only doesn't have to worry about crank walking but can rock 400 whp stock motor unlike us still on 91 octane.
go with a 1g my friend.
OK ONE G MASTER
what happens then the balance shaft pulley eats away at the timing cover?
I'm glade i got rid of mine, and i had a Evo III short block.
All I'm saying is, of all the "sport compacts" anything made by Diamond Star Motors, is
The fastest, turbo, all wheel drive car most likely to not move under its own power.
Chris
'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08
K. Vega..Mr. M62 L61 himself. wrote:also to the crank walk posters, if he gets a 1G A he not only doesn't have to worry about crank walking but can rock 400 whp stock motor unlike us still on 91 octane.
go with a 1g my friend.
OK ONE G MASTER
what happens then the balance shaft pulley eats away at the timing cover?
I'm glade i got rid of mine, and i had a Evo III short block.
All I'm saying is, of all the "sport compacts" anything made by Diamond Star Motors, is
The fastest, turbo, all wheel drive car most likely to not move under its own power.
Chris
'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08
there is a lot of just a joke here. the 6 bolt 4g63t egines are known for crank walk but only when you boost the @!#$ out of them. the 8 bolt doesnt crank walk. dsm crap in a gm? ur in ur own world.... u, putting a 4g63t in a cavalier was just a waste pointless to begin with, no offense to you.
Working on obtainting an M-Class license... ?? Hint: 2 wheels.
chris like it or not- the fastest team green car to go down GLD is a DSM, street tires full interior non the less.
love them or hate them. fact is look at the fastest time list on this site , and go to a site related to dsms and compare. but, every motor has their problems.
I love both cars so i am on defend both sides. DSM gets a bad rap for being cheaply modded and people pounding the crap out of them. sure add some bolt on's, turn up the boost and dont upgrade drivetrain parts you will start to break stuff. Quailty parts are out there, but you are going to pay for it. Like a shep stage 3 trans to hold ~600hp will cost you 2000$. But the j body doesnt have that much aftermarket support as a mitsu product(dsm/evo).
biggest eye opener for me was the 08' dsm/evo shootout. i been to a few bashs before and loved them . But watching fast times consist of 13's and loads of excuses when their j body was in the 15's and 16's. at the dsm shoot out and slowest run i seen was a low 14 and the car was a automatic car with a system and a fast and furious look. Nothing like seeing 10-11 second street cars. Then the big boys came out(bushar racing/turbotrix) and 2 rwd dsm's and ran from 9'sto 7's. crazyest pass i seen there was a 170 trap speed and the turbotrix guy shut down into 3rd gear. i wish the AMS guys where there and Shep racing. maybe this year
why did i just state my case ? not sure lol. Your car and you do what you want, swapping a 4g63 in a j body isnt a smart idea. TOO much work. stick with a GM motor like a quad four or a ecotec. Still alot of a work but more feasable...
i like both platforms and GM and mitsu motors are my favorite 4 bangers. I think GM makes the best V8 ever. Rest out there i dont care for or about. I am a die hard GM guy and loved the quad four and wish GM spent as much $ as they did on the ecotec racing program for the quad.
as you were.
YEP!
but, unless you can stay on top of MAINTENANCE, there not for you..
besides, there are just way to much great pics out there making fun of them, to not post them!
I beat off on your brothers car once.
Chris
'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08
hhaa. I do laugh at all them funny pictures. I seen one with the S-afc picture and it said crankwalk at 60%. something like that. or the evo next to the vette picture saying your 4dr car isnt a race car. lol.
yes, i agree if you do it right and keep up to date on maintence and use good proven parts is important task. a j body can be a quick car. But 5% of this community actually do it right or follow through. This site has way too many people making claims. Funny thing is the guys who have the killer set ups never once made a claim, and all the guys making 500whp(sweetness GT comes to mind first) claims and goals never get close or have some sorta excuse.
Like brians car before the motorcycle wanted to kiss it. That was a potent set up that after years of messing around /in the making he finally had something going and that set up wasnt at its full potentail. he didnt go around preeching this # or that #. He just posted up after what the car did. There are only a few people like that on here sadly.
my brothers goal is a daily driver tuned car, 450awhp, and 11 seconds on street tires. So far pretty damn close. But he has been eyeing up evo's for a while. So we will see how much more goes into that dsm.
If you half as$ your way to big horsepower, you are not going to hold that horsepower long . I DONT care what car you are modding. if you are doubling to tripling your cars stock output, you are going to break stuff.
anyways, sorry to get off topic. lol
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:K. Vega..Mr. M62 L61 himself. wrote:also to the crank walk posters, if he gets a 1G A he not only doesn't have to worry about crank walking but can rock 400 whp stock motor unlike us still on 91 octane.
go with a 1g my friend.
OK ONE G MASTER
what happens then the balance shaft pulley eats away at the timing cover?
I'm glade i got rid of mine, and i had a Evo III short block.
All I'm saying is, of all the "sport compacts" anything made by Diamond Star Motors, is
The fastest, turbo, all wheel drive car most likely to not move under its own power.
Chris
You're saying you had an EvoIII short block in a 1G? Not possible. Because of the motor mounts. You can put a 1G engine in a newer car (2G, Evo), but not vice versa.
