I was loking on JBodyperformance.com and they said that the stage 3 cams would work with the stock computer. Here I have read otherwise so who is right? Will a stage 3 cam set work with my car without throwing codes?


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just bolt the computer down that way it cant be thrown.....

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I have the Stage 3 cams, my computer is still in stock location, so not sure if its been thrown? (yea i can be a smartass too) I use hp tuners and have no factory dash, so to say how many lights are on on my dash I dont know, but the car is fast, thats all

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Ben, aren't yours Comp stage 3's? I'm not sure if the JBP cams are the same.




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I doubt it...

I know on the comp cams you can only use stage 1 or the turbo grind on the stock ECU.

Check them out @ www.TurboTechRacing.com


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So whats the verdict then?? I would be interested in buying these..but the company just doesn't resond to email it seems?? Wouldn't there have to be some computer modifications if the car is gaining between 19-23 whp??

Comp Stage 3's or LevelZeromotorsports Triflow cams? Guys, just want to know which cam will give me the best power and if a small valve upgrade is recommended with bigger lobed cams. Do I need valve springs, and titanium retainers? If I tune with HP Tuners will I perhaps need bigger injectors? I have a lot of bolt ons at the moment.


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Comp FTW



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no matter what cams you get you need to tune for them...even if they will "work" on the factory computer you will not likely realize much of a gain, you're better off investing in tuning software before buying cams - trust me I made that mistake long ago...Patriot stage II head and cams and all I got were lean spark plugs and no power

If it doesn't throw a CEL, its not making enough power to warrant doing it.


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BlackEco wrote:If it doesn't throw a CEL, its not making enough power to warrant doing it.

Bingo lol

now if you order the cams from levelzeromotorsports do you have to send in your stock cams or will they just send you a set of cams with the triflow grind? I know colt cams you have to send them the cams and then they grind them and send them back to you.


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Good question. So far, Comp Cams still win?


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actually if you're looking for power all over the tri-flow cams FTW.. but still.. do you send in the stock cams or do they send you all new cams..


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ohhh.. i think i realize what lzm does.. if you send in your cams its 499.. if you want them to provide the core it is an additional 100 making it 599.. i wonder if they will give you the 100 back if you send them your cores? I've sent them an email finding out more!


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I am running the Tri-Flow cams..I have been very happy with them..You will not or should not throw any codes with the cams..But I would Just get the HP tuning done to really get the full use out of the cams..The stock tuning Is just crappy..Also I upgraded to a set of the Cobalt ss injectors..I belive they are 380cc,I just did not wat to lean it out at the top end..But either way would still suggest the HP Tuning to be done..

Did you have the HP Tuning done? Thanks for that reply.. it was very helpful!


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Yes I had the HP Tuning done..I had to because I also did the Balance Shaft Delete Kit.And Had put in the bigger injectors..After Seeing how bad the factory tuning was.I would recommend anyone out there even if you have done a few minor mods to have your car re-tuned..

lol speaking of the balance shaft delete kit.. was this hard to find someone to do or is it kind of common for a garage to be able to do this? I'd think about having that done as well.


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Well I live in Vancouver and had Claten from LZM,Install the cam and the Balance shaft delete for me..I had to do a motor swap because my old Eco at 170 thousand KM,one of the timing chain guide let go so Claten got me another motor and did the work for me because I did not have the time..But I did the swap after it was all done..It is great to have the throttle response is great..

I just wanted to let everyone know that lzm will provide you with cams as long as you add the additional core charge of 100 to the purchase of the cams. Once you get your cams you may return your old cams and receive a refund of 100 for the cams.


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Turbo Tech Racing wrote:I doubt it...

I know on the comp cams you can only use stage 1 or the turbo grind on the stock ECU.

Check them out @ www.TurboTechRacing.com

what about the blower grind in a gm supercharger kit for the ecotec. will the reflash work with the blower cams?

It should work fine


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I just bought a set of custom grind COLT CAMS. The specs are:
Intake: 265 degrees duration @ 0 lift
Exhaust: 262 degrees duration @ 0 lift
Lift: 0.394" on both cams
Power band: 4500-8000 rpm

Can anyone tell me if these are equivalent to lets say a Stage 3 cam spec? I believe this is an agressive street grind spec cam. Not sure what all these numbers mean and want to see if I have bought decent power adding cams, high rpm top end power cams


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horsepower wise how much can you actually gain by a modest tune using the hp tuners kit on a n/a ecotec? maybe 10-12hp?