i was wondering what is in it to swap a 2200 into a say a 96 2.2l is it just a matter of the engine and engine harness or is there more involed
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Radiator hoses are different, as are injector clips (IIRC). The cam and crank position sensors are different, so you need the correct ECU, which will probably have a different connector (haven't checked this though).
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
Incorrect^^^^^
YOu can put a 2200 into a 2.2 car. YOu can use the 2.2 wiring harness (except the injector harness). You will need to get a 2200 injector harness and wire it to the 2.2 harness (injector harness). All other sensor's are the same, some are located in different spots. We did this and the car ran fine (still does). We had no problems with radiator hoses either. If you have the 2200 harness and ECU then go ahead and swap it all.
FU Tuning
John Higgins wrote:Incorrect^^^^^
YOu can put a 2200 into a 2.2 car. YOu can use the 2.2 wiring harness (except the injector harness). You will need to get a 2200 injector harness and wire it to the 2.2 harness (injector harness). All other sensor's are the same, some are located in different spots. We did this and the car ran fine (still does). We had no problems with radiator hoses either. If you have the 2200 harness and ECU then go ahead and swap it all.
I should have worded that differently...the cam and crank sensors are the same, but the notches they read off of on the cam and crank are different. This is what prevents the 2200 "secret cam swap" from working. I don't see the 2.2L ECU running the 2200 at peak potential, since it is a sequential firing...
Of course, I've never tried it, and nobody here has done as many engine swaps as Mr Higgins there^^^
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
thanks i appreciate all the info . the reason i was asking is i was wanting to pick up another car that was a 96 but has a 5sp[d in it . i wanted to swap my 2200 and harness into it instead on doing a tranny swap i feel it will be less work.
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^^^Notec is right... The trigger-clocking on the cranck's trigger wheel is advanced several degrees on the 2200 compared to the 2.2L, and unless you reprogram the '96 ECM to compensate, you're in deep caw-caw! And the injector connections changed in '98, so you'll need to "update" those too.
And for the record: Most engines that saw application in transverse-mounting FWD cars (Namely most non-DOHC 4-cyl & the 60* V-6's) used what is know as the Metric transmission-bellhousing-to-engine mating-surface pattern, which allowed a small slew of engines be used with "limited" number of different model trans-axles & transmissions that only were made with very few (If not only one) bellhousing variations. So yes, the 2200 will work with the 3-spd auto (TH125C/3T40C) transaxle you wish to mate it to. Just be sure to use the flex-plate designed for it from the '96 engine & the ECM is meant for the 2200 with the 3-spd transaxle.
Go beyond the "bolt-on".
I'm not saying there is no differences, but you can put a 2200 into a 2.2 OHV car. Radiator is the same, or will work. To use the wiring harness from the 2.2 OHV car and eCU you need a injector wiring harness from the 2200 and wire it into the 2.2 OHV wiring harness. I would recommend getting a 2200 with engine bay wiring harness and ECu and swapping it all, but it can be done the other way.
FU Tuning
if you need a 99 2200 ecu i have one. i F**ked up and ended up buying a 2nd ecu because i thought i messed my orignal one up with HP tuners but it turned out to be the plugs.
i can even flash theyour vin in if you do need it
But if you swapped the ECU and everything out. Would the 4 speed 2200 ECU not work properly with the 3 speed, unless the transmission was swapped as well.
What about the gauges. I thought there was a difference with the BCM? Would the 2200 ECU and all wiring harness bolt right in and work with the 2.2?
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Silver Streak wrote:But if you swapped the ECU and everything out. Would the 4 speed 2200 ECU not work properly with the 3 speed, unless the transmission was swapped as well.
What about the gauges. I thought there was a difference with the BCM? Would the 2200 ECU and all wiring harness bolt right in and work with the 2.2?
Depending on what year wiring harness and ECU 00+ would require BCM as well. A 4 speed ECU could run a 3 speed set-up (because the 3 speed tranny is manual shifting, not ECU controlled), but you would get some codes because the ECU would not see the tranny, still would run fine. Best best would be to get a ECU that matches the tranny set-up.
FU Tuning
^Uh, I believe you mean "Mechanical-shifting". As-in: Relies upon directed, controled & varied hydraulic pressure working against the the rating of springs holding spool-valves against said pressurized fluid to block it from flowing in select channels & ports until it reaches a set level, permiting the actuation of any applies (Clutches and/or bands) to inact a change of gears. The passage of pressurized fluid in a eletronic trans (Denoted by an "E" at the end of it's model designation) uses intrenal sensors that tell the computer what's going on, and in turn the computer selectively sends signals to electronic-solenoid actuated spool-valves to inact shifts in accordance with all the condition inputs it receives from all the vehicle sensors & in-check with whatever shift-point programing it has. Not to nick-pick, just to clarify for those not in the know.
Go beyond the "bolt-on".
ok its been dead but i have a ? i have a 98 cavalier with the 2200 and i want to get a car with same body style and motor cause mine was in a bad front end accident before i boght it.and this limits me to a 98 or 99 unless i can swap in my 2200 into a 95-97 if what i read is rite i can use my ecu and engine bay wireing or can use the wireing from the 2.2 just swap the injector harness yes?
"how do you get in"
you can swap it yes
to make life easier just swap engine, wiring and PCM you CAN USE THE OTHERS but JUST SWAPP IT ALL takes no time if you have both cars there pull it from 1 drop it in the other. disconnect the wiring from the body (clips and pins) and disconnec the C100 (main harness and pull the wiring with the motor
JBO since July 30, 2001
forgot this 95 is a NO the EGR is vacuum on a 95 and i think the 95 doesn't have a cam sensor if i rememberit also being the transition year there might be other things related to OBD1 and 2 causeing issues i know the code reader i bought would work on 95 J bodys it was a OBD 1 and 2 code reader it wouldn't read 94 cav 2.2 or sunfire and cav 95 2.2
if you wanna swap your 2200 in a car stay away from a 95 unless your planning to swap the ENGINE, WIRING and PCM
don't use the 95 WIRING
also if you have a 2200 with the EVAP sh*t in the back then you will have to do some rewiring if you buy a car with it in the fron right wheel well
thing 99+ was in the back
JBO since July 30, 2001
You are correct, NOTa2_4. The stepper-style servo-motor controlled EGR pintle-valve wasn't intro'd 'til '96, as was the OBD-II fully. Nor does the '95-down engine have a trigger-wheel & cam-sensor. To be quite honest, it's practically a completely different engine, especially compared to the '98-up LN2.
The pre-'96 LN2 used a vacuum-controlled EGR, which had a ECM-controlled solenoid in-line to effect when it saw the vacuum signal (I.E.: After the engine reached operating temperature, during a "cruise" situation when the auto-trans torque convertor clutch engaged, yada-yada, etc, and so-on.).
The '95 model-year GM products used an oddball setup for it's ECM & ALDL (Assembly Line Diagnostic Link). It was a OBD-I style ECM but with a OBD-II style ALDL (16-pin vs. 12-pin). It's (Un)lovingly called the "OBD-1.5", and is a big source of headaches for those who wish to "flash-tune" it like a OBD-II but can't because it uses a EPROM (Elelctronic Programable Read-only Memory) that can olny be programed with expensive special equipment, that even thou it wasn't that long ago that it still saw use in the Computerized-Musclecar aftermarket by big compnanies like SLP, is rather hard to come by.
Since the chassis really didn't change from '95 to what year your source-car is, outside of the evap-canister the entire under-hood assembly (ECM, wiring,engine & trans) should be a direct bolt-in, IIRC.
Go beyond the "bolt-on".
jere k wrote:ok its been dead but i have a ? i have a 98 cavalier with the 2200 and i want to get a car with same body style and motor cause mine was in a bad front end accident before i boght it.and this limits me to a 98 or 99 unless i can swap in my 2200 into a 95-97 if what i read is rite i can use my ecu and engine bay wireing or can use the wireing from the 2.2 just swap the injector harness yes?
Yes if you get a 96-99 cavy you can just swap your motor, tranny, ECU and wiring harness over to your new car. This would be the best way.
FU Tuning
I had an 95-96 2.2 automatic, and I used a 2001 engine, 2000 transmission, 99 Wiring harness(no EGR) and the PCM. you have to fix up the evap lines.
I tried to use the original wiring but it really doesn't work because mainly with the crank sensor connection is physically different. and I didn't want to use the old transmission so it was upgraded to a 4 speed. just your gauge display will show you 3 speed gears and will not display the transmissions real 1st gear.
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