this is the thing i want to make my 1990 3.1 in to a 3800 rwd yes i know that there will be a lot of work but thats ok i like doing the work all part of the fun of it all i need to know is that as any body done it if so is there any tips that you can give me also i want to know if you think i am just out of my head
Good luck, start now, see you in 2040.
waste of time, waste of money. imo find something different to do
its not a waste of time or money if its something he really wants to do. Who cares if its practiacl, if he likes it then i say go for it.
One thing that i've noticed on this forum that i dont see as much on others is what BaggedCav just said. We are all here b.c we like to mod cars. Who cares if its practical, its still a mod and its something new. If everyone did the same thing to their cars whats the point in modding??
I say go for it bro, have fun, and i wanna see the end result, even if it does take 10 years
its gonna be one big PITA but it would be a fun little car when done lol do it!!
"Boost tuning"....... have you had your 8 PSI today?
future name of the winter shop!!!
step one
sell cavalier
step two
buy a camaro (or any other rwd car)
there you go, problem solved
LiquidFireCavy (mdk) wrote:its not a waste of time or money if its something he really wants to do. Who cares if its practiacl, if he likes it then i say go for it.
One thing that i've noticed on this forum that i dont see as much on others is what BaggedCav just said. We are all here b.c we like to mod cars. Who cares if its practical, its still a mod and its something new. If everyone did the same thing to their cars whats the point in modding??
I say go for it bro, have fun, and i wanna see the end result, even if it does take 10 years
say what you want but anyone can set goals for their cars. i can say im going to make the best show car there is but then when it comes down to time to do it, plans change once people see the time and money involved in doing things like this. if he wants to do it then go head but realize its alot of work that to me, isnt worth it. to me it seems like he doesnt know where to begin, thats a big problem right there. again like i said
imo its a waste of time and waste of money.
thank you all for your in put but still im going to do it dont care how long it take but i would like some tips on doing something like this other than buying something new
buy a MONZA.
and take the 307 out for a 350.
Chris
'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08
dont quote me on this but i woldnt think its as hard as it could be made out to be. i have seen our read suspension modified more than it ever was intended. so whos to say he couldnt use a donor s10 and shorten the driveshaft and fab up a rear leaf suspension in place of that crap we got from the factory. if i was going to do it thats what i would look into. obviously there would have to be custom motor mounts and some moving around of stuff underneath to make room for the driveshaft. with enough ambition aand a good welder and donor car it could definitely be possible. anything is possible.
Haha i,ve heard people say this alot. I like the idea and id love to do it, but unless your a good welder its gonna be expensive. Ive seen a hand full done from an 87 hatch back with a LT1, to a full out second gen drag car with a bigblock, even a third gen well on its way. There is a company that even sells a the front cradle with new underneath stye rack n pinon for the 3rd gens ready for a v8. Too bad they got nothin for a second gen. Good luck hope you get it done, unlike most who talk it up.
Vincent Morris wrote:Good luck, start now, see you in 2040.
Your an @$$ hole people like you are the #1 reason I hate this site! Your just pissed cause your not smart enough to do such a thing, hell you can even put a chain on a bicycle.
Do it man 1990 was the best looking year other than the 1986 Z24. This would be vary cool. guys put 3800's in there 3rd gens why not chop cut and rwd a 90 with the same motor. 3.8L supercharged motors with NOS kill camaro ss', GP GTP kill Z28s.......the sky is the limit....
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LiquidFireCavy (mdk) wrote:its not a waste of time or money if its something he really wants to do. Who cares if its practiacl, if he likes it then i say go for it.
One thing that i've noticed on this forum that i dont see as much on others is what BaggedCav just said. We are all here b.c we like to mod cars. Who cares if its practical, its still a mod and its something new. If everyone did the same thing to their cars whats the point in modding??
I say go for it bro, have fun, and i wanna see the end result, even if it does take 10 years
say what you want but anyone can set goals for their cars. i can say im going to make the best show car there is but then when it comes down to time to do it, plans change once people see the time and money involved in doing things like this. if he wants to do it then go head but realize its a lot of work that to me, isn't worth it. to me it seems like he doesn't know where to begin, thats a big problem right there. again like i said
imo its a waste of time and waste of money.
ight im going to jump in on this because your just like my dad and bro. They have additions to there vehicles suck as my dads truck is lifted and larger tires, my brothers truck is custom lifted and he swapped out the carburated engine for a newer fuel injected 6.0L . They tell me if i do anything to a cavalier its still a cavalier and a waste of time and money. time going into aligning the body kit right to install the suspension, install the turbocharged spare engine, etc...
YOU have a modded car, still keeps the cavalier a cavalier. You just changed it to how YOU like it you have air suspension if not mistaken. Thats 2 grand you "wasted" on suspension the cavalier didn't need. Stock suspenion has been on the THOUSANDS of cavaliers that were made until this day. Yet you still spent the 2 grand on it and spent possibly 2-3 maybe 4 days getting everything right. Knowing most people on this site they know enough to think about DD ability and air bag suspension doesn't like snow/cold weather. So you have a integra that might have ran you 500-1500. theres more money you could have saved for something else you might need.
Also looking through your profile you shaved everything off the car. From the bit Ive heard form people who have done that its kind of pricey for the electronics you need and it take a long time to spot weld all the way around those door handle plates, and around those inner taillight plates. that probably took 2-3 days. Why would you do that? its a waste of time when your stock handles and inner taillights were just fine the way they were when you got the car. All you interior accessories in your car that probably took a fare share out of your pocket for that stuff and probably another couple days to do. Why would you need to do that when you stock stuff most likely worked just fine. Also that TRD body kit you have, you didn't need to spend the time to align it JUST right so it looked extremely sexy and then take it off and send it to get paint. Painting now and days isn't cheap.
Now im done with that crap, and im going to HOPE this crap sinks in for once! To some people making a cavalier a RWD is a waste of time and money. Some people think audio is a waste of time and money, others think body kits and engine work are a waste. So PLEASE when you read this post just SHUT THE HELL UP. You should NEVER put a guy down for thinking of something that will make his cavalier that he is willing to put his time and money into to make it better JUST LIKE YOU DID. And he asked for help not your opinion!
To Adam Brann: if you want to do it GO FOR IT! it would be insane to see it done with out having a v8 sticking out the hood. If you do decide to go with the plan keep in touch because i had this idea pass through my mind. The tips i can help you with is tube is. Don't bather with the s10/ blazer frame. The frames will need to have more modding done to it to make ti work with the uni-body design. Just keep researching it on the Internet, compare the difference between the RWD suspension stuff compared to our FWD cavys.
He posted on a forum...He's going to get opinions whether he asks for them or not ... bagged cav thinks it's stupid... That doesn't make it a fact. I don't know how many times I've read someones post about "I'm going to swap a 3800" ... And I have never seen any of them even start. I know it's been done, but how much time/effort/money goes into it. And how many people have this much time/money/effort. Now I'm not going to say his idea is dumb. Maybe impractical, but @!#$, if we all want to be practical then where would we be? I say post after you've started, then let the people talk their @!#$ and it'll be much better when you're done. It's easy to say you're going to do something, but it's a whole different story when it comes time to do it. If you start, good luck, if not... whatever
wysiwyg wrote:i would say they bang, they don't really pound so much. but if
you want to bump, then they will bump and hit real hard and a lot good. 
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ConvertibleZ wrote:Vincent Morris wrote:Good luck, start now, see you in 2040.
Your an @$$ hole people like you are the #1 reason I hate this site! Your just pissed cause your not smart enough to do such a thing, hell you can even put a chain on a bicycle.
Do it man 1990 was the best looking year other than the 1986 Z24. This would be vary cool. guys put 3800's in there 3rd gens why not chop cut and rwd a 90 with the same motor. 3.8L supercharged motors with NOS kill camaro ss', GP GTP kill Z28s.......the sky is the limit....
You have got to be kidding me, first off it was a joke, did i say it was stupid, no i said good luck which for illiterates like your self means hope things go smoothly. for the start now, that means get a jump on it and begin working on it, you may have misunderstood what that meant. see you in 2040, maybe i will maybe i wont, maybe the car will be done ,maybe it wont, do you know if it will? . second off take a midol and step off before you judge people. i cant put a chain on a bicycle, well if i cant do that then i guess i shouldnt be able to put timing chains on a small block or an eco? i guess i shouldnt have welded my exhaust, i guess i shouldnt have installed my rk sport pro street coilovers, or my header, intake, short shifter or any of that then huh? or maybe built a small block chevy motor, built a muncie m21, or a 12 bolt rear with 4.10 posi, hell while were at it, i shouldnt have helped my dad completely rebuild his 71 camaro. your right then i guess i cant put a chain on a bicycle or not smart enough to think about it. but i can work on cars, im a tig welder, so i know the metal fabrication side of it. its going to take a lot of time, a lot of wiring know how, and a lot of welding and fabricating which depending on which type of welding he does some is more expensive than others.
so before you come on here bashing people, lighten up and leave the site if you dont like it. People like you that jump to conclusions and accuse people are what make this a bad site. you come on here making a scene and look like an @$%. So go take your car, get all your stuff done, including your "fill" intake and have a happy day. you give the white man the bad image in public.
rawkfist wrote:Bagged wrote:LiquidFireCavy (mdk) wrote:its not a waste of time or money if its something he really wants to do. Who cares if its practiacl, if he likes it then i say go for it.
One thing that i've noticed on this forum that i dont see as much on others is what BaggedCav just said. We are all here b.c we like to mod cars. Who cares if its practical, its still a mod and its something new. If everyone did the same thing to their cars whats the point in modding??
I say go for it bro, have fun, and i wanna see the end result, even if it does take 10 years
say what you want but anyone can set goals for their cars. i can say im going to make the best show car there is but then when it comes down to time to do it, plans change once people see the time and money involved in doing things like this. if he wants to do it then go head but realize its a lot of work that to me, isn't worth it. to me it seems like he doesn't know where to begin, thats a big problem right there. again like i said imo its a waste of time and waste of money.
ight im going to jump in on this because your just like my dad and bro. They have additions to there vehicles suck as my dads truck is lifted and larger tires, my brothers truck is custom lifted and he swapped out the carburated engine for a newer fuel injected 6.0L . They tell me if i do anything to a cavalier its still a cavalier and a waste of time and money. time going into aligning the body kit right to install the suspension, install the turbocharged spare engine, etc...
YOU have a modded car, still keeps the cavalier a cavalier. You just changed it to how YOU like it you have air suspension if not mistaken. Thats 2 grand you "wasted" on suspension the cavalier didn't need. Stock suspenion has been on the THOUSANDS of cavaliers that were made until this day. Yet you still spent the 2 grand on it and spent possibly 2-3 maybe 4 days getting everything right. Knowing most people on this site they know enough to think about DD ability and air bag suspension doesn't like snow/cold weather. So you have a integra that might have ran you 500-1500. theres more money you could have saved for something else you might need.
Also looking through your profile you shaved everything off the car. From the bit Ive heard form people who have done that its kind of pricey for the electronics you need and it take a long time to spot weld all the way around those door handle plates, and around those inner taillight plates. that probably took 2-3 days. Why would you do that? its a waste of time when your stock handles and inner taillights were just fine the way they were when you got the car. All you interior accessories in your car that probably took a fare share out of your pocket for that stuff and probably another couple days to do. Why would you need to do that when you stock stuff most likely worked just fine. Also that TRD body kit you have, you didn't need to spend the time to align it JUST right so it looked extremely sexy and then take it off and send it to get paint. Painting now and days isn't cheap.
Now im done with that crap, and im going to HOPE this crap sinks in for once! To some people making a cavalier a RWD is a waste of time and money. Some people think audio is a waste of time and money, others think body kits and engine work are a waste. So PLEASE when you read this post just SHUT THE HELL UP. You should NEVER put a guy down for thinking of something that will make his cavalier that he is willing to put his time and money into to make it better JUST LIKE YOU DID. And he asked for help not your opinion!
To Adam Brann: if you want to do it GO FOR IT! it would be insane to see it done with out having a v8 sticking out the hood. If you do decide to go with the plan keep in touch because i had this idea pass through my mind. The tips i can help you with is tube is. Don't bather with the s10/ blazer frame. The frames will need to have more modding done to it to make ti work with the uni-body design. Just keep researching it on the Internet, compare the difference between the RWD suspension stuff compared to our FWD cavys.
you might want to re-read his orignal post
adam brann wrote: also i want to know if you think i am just out of my head
he asked for opinions. now wheather
my opinion is what you want to hear or not, i dont care, its
my opinion which he asked for. like i said before if you can read, if he wants to go it go head but im telling him what he asked. also realize that a rwd swap is ALOT harder than installing a suspension (which you are wrong, it took me 1 day to install the whole thing). What im trying to tell him is people dont understand how much work is involved into things until they start doing it. Like said above about the 3800sc motor swaps. You hear all these people saying they are going to do it but when it comes down to it, they realize how much money, work and time its going to cost. If he can do it then good for him, id like to see it but im just trying to tell him what he is getting involved in. take it how you want i dont care. this isnt myspace, im not here to make friends.
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lol. people dont like this site because most of you are negative, who has a love for cars and wants to have some smart ass tell them in lighter terms their stupid for even thinking about doing something they thought of? no one. be suportive of things like this, his time, his money, so dont worry about how it effects him.. thats his problem. I say go for it, custom work, but itll get done if u want it to. and itll be one badass car. if u do end up doin it, get pics up man, im really interested to see how it would turn out
again thank you all for your input
i have seen it done on a 2003 , i looks insane. it had a blower on it. heads were sticking out of the hood. DO IT, DO IT, DO IT
another one of these? i guess its been a bit too long since the last one...
there's a 2nd gen hatch (or was it first gen?) that was converted to rwd successfully and looked like a street car (not have the whole engine hanging out of the hood like the yellow 3rd gen) altho i have no idea where the info on that car has gone to.
if you post here looking for help or suggestions on how to do it, just forget it already.
and all you people defending the original poster against naysayers, i laugh at you.
ha.ha.ha.
its one thing to set goals, and another thing entirely to dream. if you post on the org asking for advice on how to basically chop the car apart and put it back together, you lack any or all of the skills required to do it.
and don't say 'a shop is going to do it for me' because no shop would unless it was being turned into a tube framed race car.
sorry, but the only people i believe who can do this kind of mod are the ones who post in photos and media with the already finished result.
heres what you will have to do for sure. remove all interior, you will have to do bucket rears probably because you have to make a tunnel for the driveshaft. or if you think you can just run it low enough to not have to make a tunnel. weld mounts on to mount the rearend, leaf springs or what not. then find some way to build a cradle for the engine while maintaining your steering and brakes and all that jazz. probably even wire up a seperate electronics system. aftermarket gauges to run with the new motor, depending how much you modify it or what motor you use, you may have to alter the firewall as well. depending on what trans you go with may also decide where the shifter comes through the floor if you go with a manual, if you go manual then you have to worry about putting in a 3rd pedal to work with that trans. as for the front you are going to need some heavy duty suspension depending on the size of the motor you use. basically you will have to create your own chassis for this to work at all. lots of time, steel, welding, money, and time. good luck.
i know that is going to take alot of work money and time got that i can weld some and if i cant weld it i have friends and family you can weld better thani can so the welding is not not going to stop me needed a donor car is fine to and here is why i want to do it because i think that cavaliers should have rwd also as soon as i start i will get pics and have them up what car should would be a good donor car
if your going to use a donor car, get one with a carb. up to you but in my opinion they are the easiest to hack up and the easiest to install and get running. very less to go wrong. im just guessing but if you went small block you would have to cut into the firewall to make the bell housing fit from the tranny.
DaFlyinSkwirl (PJ) wrote:its one thing to set goals, and another thing entirely to dream. if you post on the org asking for advice on how to basically chop the car apart and put it back together, you lack any or all of the skills required to do it.
thats exactly my point. if you can pull it off thats great, id love to see pics
mantaapart makes a rwd kit right?
www.mantapart.com
