ok guys i have 1995 sunfire 2.2 and i wanna do some work but idk what its stock right now and i just wanna break 200-250 hp what kind of mods do u ppl think i should do ?

and another thing my friend is driven a 1999 2,4 sunfire and he's puttin a turbo on does he have to rebiuld the bottom end to handel thats power and would i have to rebiuld the bottom end for my car also thankz for any help get back

I want to help but i spent hours upon hours finding these things out for my self. The information is out there, you simply need to have the drive to go get it. That being said since your questions were really broad and vauge i will answer the same way.

Your friend doesnt HAVE to do anything, depending on his goals he probably should do some bottom end work. From the little I think i know about the 2.2 engine you will need some serious money to have it put that much power to the ground. Atleast a turbo with a really good tune, probably a full build though.

I am not trying to bash, you definately could do it, just warning you should know what your getting in to. And from the sound of it you need to know a lot more in general before you undertake something like getting 200-250 hp out of your engine.

My .02 cents

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no i know enuff about cars just askin cuz its my first j-body and i want to supercharge not turbo its gunna be a daily driver and turbos kill ur car to fast

Even so, you have a 2.2 auto. You are making maybe 100hp to the ground. To double that, it would be easier to swap in the eco and put the GM charger kit on it, that will give you 200 easy. Or since you have a 95 swap the 2.3 HO engine into it and put the m62 charger on it, thats way more then 200 also.

Your coment on super vs turbo is so obviously wrong and uneducated i am not even going to touch it. Also not saying one is better then the other, they each have their place.

The bottom line is you obviously need to learn a lot more about J-bodies, all cars are different, what holds true for others may not work here.

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ok qwestion u say i'm makein maybee 100 to the front wheel then why every where i check it say 135 ? or 130 u sayin there all wrong these are reveiws from mags and so on on stock cars ?

sorry man idk what i'm gunna do but i did wanna ask some one for some opinoins not to cridasize my knowlage

next off i was thinkin about doin headers back exhust gm super charger and work from there if the reveiws are right and i'm puttin like 130 stock then after all that i figure what about 180 since on most threads i see s/c give like 35/60 hp right so ya and the hearders back is a bit also so thats my base and those are just thoughts

no a stock 2.2 ln2 with an auto will put out about 80-85 whp horsepower..
the "reviews" you see are talking about crank horsepower and i'm positive that the rating is at 115bhp. that means they measure the hp at the crank and not the wheels.


you can't add hp liek you are saying. having a 115bhp, then adding a header thats suppose to give you 10hp plus a cat that suppose to give you 5hp, and a full exhaust that is said to give you 15hp, doesn't mean you have 145whp..
you can't add hp like that, they each help eachother and you'd probably see the most and i say that lightly. about 10whp out of all those mods.

now since you have a 95 2.2 ln2, you have alot against you. one there is no supercharger out there for your car except for the theives at RSM, and i don't even know if they make one for a 95.

second if you do go forced induction you need to figure out fuel problems, since that seems a little ahead of you right now i'm not going to explain

getting 200-250whp out of a 2.2 ln2 is very very diffcult without alot of money and knowledge.

not really, 250whp in the 2200 can be achived with building up the motor, getting the head ported and a turbo on about 12-15 psi. Your looking at spending ~$6000 in total. Thats just a rough estimate, it may cost less, more im not sure im just giving you a rough estimate on what to expect to pay. I think because your a 95 tuning may be a problem.

You can do the ecotec swap, turbo it and your still looking at ~$5000 for 250whp. You dont need to build the ecotec up for 250whp. But its always safe to do so.

Myles wrote:not really, 250whp in the 2200 can be achived with building up the motor, getting the head ported and a turbo on about 12-15 psi. Your looking at spending ~$6000 in total. Thats just a rough estimate, it may cost less, more im not sure im just giving you a rough estimate on what to expect to pay. I think because your a 95 tuning may be a problem.

You can do the ecotec swap, turbo it and your still looking at ~$5000 for 250whp. You dont need to build the ecotec up for 250whp. But its always safe to do so.

i don't know about you, but $6000 is alot of money. and pnp head and a turbo set-up takes alot of knowledge..so you only proved my point by saying that it will take alot of money and alot of knowledge to get it.

you also have to remember that he has the 2.2 ln2..not the 2200. it takes a little bit more work

it doesn't take $5000 to swap a ecotec and turbo it though.

Sorry my numbers were in CAD not USD.

wow u know what @!#$ ths j-body @!#$ honestly i'm going back to my old school muscle cars @!#$ tryin to get 250 outa some bull @!#$ 4cly when i can get a 1986 oldsmobile cutless with the 350 v8 and oump even more outa it and if not go bigger then that

i think i'll finish up the intirior that i was doin on the sunfire and sell it as is for alot more then i'm puttin in thats for sure

thankz anyways

BTW i was giving you 100 hp at the wheels, and being generous with that number. Since its the 95 wouldn't swaping in the 2.3 HO be better? Since he has OBD-1 anyway.

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idk all i know is u can not find 2.3 any where or around where i live and i'm not payin a huge amount on this car since i only payed 400$ for the car inthe first place

the engine and trany run smoth not one problem at all was rebiult 40.000 km agojust a bit of rust nothin else the car drives great but i'm not spendin that kind of money to get it in any kind of performace wize bull@!#$

Its only because of the design of the engine that makes it extremely difficult... in 98, the engine functions were redesigned to allow for the performance upgrades more readily.

Trust me evo, I'm in the same position you are, and in order to get the power I want out of this car, it is going to take either an engine swap or some knowledge on how to machine things... in either case you are looking at $$$. I'm choosing engine swap since 1) I can't weld and 2) I can't machine myself out of a paper bag.

I hate to say it, but the 95-97 2.2's are the black sheep.

ok but seriously i hate the fact on how cars nowadays u gotta get so much bull@!#$ to swap the engine i'm use to swapin a enigne in a 3-4 hours for my old stang and @!#$ (witch i sold ) but like ahhhhhhhh @!#$in new cars blow i hate them all


why cant they make cars ezer to work on like they use to be so what u have to figure out whats wrong when somethin @!#$ up still there so muhc ezer

and black sheep more like the @!#$in ugly duckling shoulda had its neck broken at birth

evo 1586 wrote:ok but seriously i hate the fact on how cars nowadays u gotta get so much bull@!#$ to swap the engine i'm use to swapin a enigne in a 3-4 hours for my old stang and @!#$ (witch i sold ) but like ahhhhhhhh @!#$in new cars blow i hate them all


why cant they make cars ezer to work on like they use to be so what u have to figure out whats wrong when somethin @!#$ up still there so muhc ezer

Not necessarily. The 98 2200 should bolt up to your existing tranny, engine mounts, etc.

The three main components that you would need is engine, wiring harness (although it is rumored you can adapt your 2.2 harness to work... don't quote me though) and ECU

The hard part is the wiring harness... You might be able to get it done in a weekend...

As for your last question, blame the EPA and technological advancements over the years.





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thats what i mean @!#$in sencors and shti every where wtf its so bull @!#$ there shouldnt be any on a car when u gotta pass a @!#$in e-test any way to drive the @!#$in thing just more things to go @!#$in wrong @!#$in pointless to me

and as for a swap i dont @!#$in know anymore i dont even know if i want the @!#$in car now

and i would also add like ok wtf ecu and @!#$ i dont know to much with this newer @!#$ so explain cuz when i do engine swaps in the cars i usally work on i swap an engine i dont need to swap anything else btu then again thats what i get for lovin the oldies i guess

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i do engine swaps in the cars i usally work on i swap an engine i dont need to swap anything else btu then again thats what i get for lovin the oldies i guess

hehehe, tell me about it.

ECU = Engine Control Unit (aka Computer)

By the way, really giving the language filter a workout today, I see

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1986 oldsmobile cutless with the 350 v8 and oump even more outa it and if not go bigger then that

This also has a computer and sensors, just not as complicated as the newer cars, much easier to take it off the computer and run as a stand alone.

ya sorry if it pisses any one off that i was swaerin i'm just so mad cuz like i really did get into somthin i didnt have any idea and now i'm like swamped and dont knwo what to do at all

like i'm a intirior guy i do custom work on sterios and @!#$ like that i can handle the body and stuff but like the newer engine crap i dotn get at all only use to the older stuff this new crap ahh i'm so confused but there is no way in hell i am spendin 5000-6000 on a engine swap and other crap to hit 200 hp when i can buy a older car that had like 200-400 for that much alone and run 12's n 13's all day

200 hp aint getting you 12's w/ a Cutty. 14.68 at the best (on paper only)

Since you are an interior guy, why not go the show route and save the wrenching for an older car? Best of both worlds.

ya i would but its gunna be a daily driver to so i wann have some power but i'm thinkin i might just do a header back exhust and a ram air intake and take the govern off it or somthin idk nothin to much just clean up the engine and make it show