I have a 96' 2.2L 3-speed cavy and a motor (95 sun 2.2L) was given to my and i have the intake ready to port and poilsh myself as a winter prod. now i heard you can plain the deck for higher compression go with a bigger thottle body and injecters and bore size exhuast fuel pump etc .......maybe later intime a turbo
But for now i would just like to know what set ups some peeps have and what they think of there upgrades ...thanks....
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I have two builds going on right now. One is a junkyard/budget build going for 300whp on a T3 ($5000 budget including car), the other is a full build going for 400whp on a 50trim T04E. The mods in my reg are a combination of the two for now.
All I can tell you is that these motors love boost as long as you keep a good tune (they will spit in your face if you don't though)
Since you have a '96 you are limited on injectors, look up the top-feed conversions and saturn injector threads in the boost forum for more info on this.
Check out the 2200 power record, 2200 valve springs, LN2 lifter, 2.2L rocker, and a few other threads in this forum for lots of info on whats availible for your motor.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
Dont waste your money on a new fuel pump. The stock pump can flow way more fuel than what your stock engine can consume. You'll blow the 2.2 before it'll suck more fuel than the pump can give.
While we're on the negatives of the list you made, rule #2 of engine building is to have a plan (#1 being measure twice, grind once). There is no such thing as "maybe turbo in the future". This is because decking your head (or increasing compression in any way) will only contribute to increasing chances of detonation under boost. Turbo = lower compression needed.
Also, these engines don't have enough displacement to start with, but boring them out won't get you very far because the cylinders are so close together and the stroke is too short (you may gain 2-3 cubesmax, not enough to help for the time & $$$).
Your throttle body is part of your upper intake manifold, and aftermarket units are hard to come by (RSM is a scam, Mantapart is risky, and JBP is a joke), so you need to be able to make your own butterfly plate and do your own boring.
If you really want a fuel pump, just get the Blazer unit (see JBO FAQ), but like he^^ said, the stock unit flows quite a bit
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
Thats aesome guys thanks I've always been doing the autobody end of thing and the back yard mech so forget the pure motor hp and go with a turbo with some tuning and replacements ... i feel like a irishman in a beer store! hmmmm T3 thanks again
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Depends on if you really want boost or not, too. Before you go too far, make sure you know that's what you want. Then tailor the engine towards that. Talk to some of the guys running boosted LN2s, or guys with turbo projects, and see what they're doing. If you boost, you'll need injectors and possibly a fuel pump - but for all motor, you'll be fine with what you got.
Hey,
I just read your thread and EVERYBODY is yelling TURBO TURBO TURBO these days. But NOONE has actually gone and tried a higher compression with these engines. Ive got a 1994 Sunbird with a 2.0L SOHC MPFI Distributorless engine that I did a bunch of mods to the stock head. Now the car SCREAMS. I can pull 160 km/h in third gear (its a 5 speed)!
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I can teach ya how to hook your car up to your COMPUTER now too. HACK IN! Its awesome!
what i'm wanting is about 200hp. or more but keep it as a streetable car I love hearing the pssst pssst lol i have extra engine parts laying around and have a scrap yard that i once worked at down the street so parts normally cost a case of beer However after market parts cost a arm and leg living in canada have a under dog doller here and shipping and taxs stc i will take a look around before any grinding or buying parts ... my one bud has a nissan thats boosted ..mom/daddys gift to him awwww puke puke .. i don't think the cars ever seen 5000 rpm i told him that he needs to trade it in for a bus pass ...and no he has no idea about turbos or where in oil go's ..
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umm shawn...it will pull the same speed in every gear anyways..unless you raised your rev limiter rpm and speed and gear is all relative...If you think your going to turbo it..turbo it..plain and simple...bolt ons dont do a whole lot for the 2.2 as im finding this out..swap time!..phil
Shawn's a little confused, probably a headrush from the acceleration and exhaust note of the new 'bird engine.
His car likely has no speed limiter. The old OHC Pontiac 2.0 didn't have much "go" built into it, so something around 105mph was practically the top limit anyway. Not to take anything away from his experience, but it's likely that a basic rebuild would have brought that engine back to life. Bumping compression and doing some port work would have added a slight amount of power to the total. But I think Shawn would wonder why he did so much work after riding in a stock turbo Bird. And a turboed stock spec OHV 2.0 or 2.2 will produce more power than a turboed OHC 2.0 (I own turbo and NA versions of both engines). The return on investment to install a turbo, if planned well and money is spent wisely, can be huge.
Shawn, you're not "hacking into" the car computer. You're reading data that it's producing for the scan tool. And it's a long, long way from the OBDII data that's in 1996 Cav which is the focus of this thread.
200 hp with a turbo is a mild car. 200 hp na is a fair amount more work.
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First id like to say Id like to see ANYONES bird, even the TURBOS, pull 160 km/h in third.
Ive walked all over the new rx8 rotary engines, dodge vipers, turbos, and some supercharged cars.
Im not saying turbos aren't great, im just saying if you haven't tried doing the work to one of these motors dont tell me it wont move fast cuase you have NO IDEA!
Yes im not "hacking into" the sunbirds computer. Im working on the Bi-directional data as we speak! Its amazing what you can learn through the OBD port though. Just thought i would post some tips.
Im not saying my car is lightning fast, but if i ever raced ya on the street i bet you'd be shocked.
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Shawn McKale wrote:First id like to say Id like to see ANYONES bird, even the TURBOS, pull 160 km/h in third.
Ive walked all over the new rx8 rotary engines, dodge vipers, turbos, and some supercharged cars.
Im not saying turbos aren't great, im just saying if you haven't tried doing the work to one of these motors dont tell me it wont move fast cuase you have NO IDEA!
Yes im not "hacking into" the sunbirds computer. Im working on the Bi-directional data as we speak! Its amazing what you can learn through the OBD port though. Just thought i would post some tips.
Im not saying my car is lightning fast, but if i ever raced ya on the street i bet you'd be shocked.
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it seems as if that's exactly what you're trying to say
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First id like to say Id like to see ANYONES bird, even the TURBOS, pull 160 km/h in third.
Shawn... 99 mph in third isn't that big a deal. Just rev the living piss out of the engine.
Youi haven't walked all over Vipers, unless you're putting footprints on a parked car. Turbo, s/c, depends on the car, the tune, and the driver.
Don't get your panties in a bunch. I've been driving J's since '88. I know what they can and can't do.
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Im not saying my car is lightning fast, but if i ever raced ya on the street i bet you'd be shocked.
I dunno. Depending on which car I'm in, I might not even notice.
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Im working on the Bi-directional data as we speak!
Be careful if / when you get into mode 4 comms. It is easy to make a mistake and there are no safegaurds to prevent you from doing so.
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hmm well no idea..says he lives in misssin bc canda..maybe i shouls go down there..its only a few hrs from me..hehe..acually shawn..go run at mission raceway this friday..tell us what your time is...a bunch of peopel from bcj will be there..hehe///sorry to muck up your post..back to th task at hand.....turbo it call it a day!..phil
Yes im not "hacking into" the sunbirds computer. Im working on the Bi-directional data as we speak! Its amazing what you can learn through the OBD port though. Just thought i would post some tips.
Well Shawn thanks I was alittle shy on the idea of hacking into the Obd2 seeing that i never seen any tools to do it with and thinking that ok well he has a 2.0L obd1 not a 2.2L obd2 but never the less seeing is believing so i went to the site and typed in my Vin code and low and behold there was info and revised versions of my data links on the cpu however i don't have the laptop or port plug but its good to know its here if and when thanks
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