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Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:37 PM
When I squel my tires only one of the spins and the other stays still. Im curious if there is a way to eliminate this. I heard something about welding something? But I have no idea.

Re: burn out!
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:53 PM
LSD clears that right up, got a couple grand to waste?





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Re: burn out!
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:54 PM
That's normal. It's because your can doesn't have a "Limited Slip Differential", just a regular old differential. If you don't know what a differential of a limited slip differential is, here's a decent definition/description:

Limited slip differential
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A Limited Slip Differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.

The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate at twice its intended velocity – the torque transmitted will be zero and the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
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In other words, it's kind of like a method for your car to transfer torque to both wheels equally and at the same time with LSD's, as opposed to your stock differential which is more likely tp just go ahead and spin one wheel until it grabs, then it transfers power to the other wheel.

What you're experiencing is absolutely normal. Basically all of us who haven't upgraded their cars' differential have to deal with this. Don't continue to just frivolously do burnouts. Your stock differential absolutely can't handle too much of that crap before it just tells you to f**k off and stops working correctly... that's a whole world of headaches. Stop doing that!

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Re: burn out!
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:55 PM
Quaife, Phantom Grip, etc... all good people to talk to to fix that problem... you need a limited slip differential... most economy cars (like ours) do not come with one.



Re: burn out!
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:56 PM
Shifted wrote:LSD clears that right up, got a couple grand to waste?
Now that you know where the problem lies, this entire thread and subject will bet better served in the Transmission Forum. Head on over there and get advice from folks who can definitely get you on the right track.




Re: burn out!
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:29 AM
i've never been able to burn out on just one tire. they both spin every time. Are autos and manuals the same in this area?
Re: burn out!
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:05 AM
Dustin McCall wrote:i've never been able to burn out on just one tire. they both spin every time. Are autos and manuals the same in this area?


same here.. I've never had only one wheel peel



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Re: burn out!
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:37 AM
EVERY F^#&ING TIME! I come around a corner and punch the gas and only one spins! NO GRIP!!! I heard of welding them??? anyone heard of this... an old puerto rican backyard mechanic from the moutains told me that (mountain boys fix cars all day!)
Re: burn out!
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:17 AM
Daniel Noriega wrote:EVERY F^#&ING TIME! I come around a corner and punch the gas and only one spins! NO GRIP!!! I heard of welding them??? anyone heard of this... an old puerto rican backyard mechanic from the moutains told me that (mountain boys fix cars all day!)
I'm tempted to say that perhaps that kind of trickery doesn't apply to us. Not sure what exactly would be welded or why a weld would make anything better, but I'm sure if it were really that easy nobody would bother investing so much money in Quaife / Phantom Grip / Team Green differentials. That just doesn't sound right...




Re: burn out!
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:25 AM
the welding being refered to is welding the spider gears...do that and have fun trying to drive everyday.

the reason only one tire spins while turning is torque differences between the wheels caused by the open diff and unequal length axles



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Re: burn out!
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:27 AM
no weld is gonna fix that...




Re: burn out!
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:31 AM
QBE (73H 800573D 0N3) wrote:
Dustin McCall wrote:i've never been able to burn out on just one tire. they both spin every time. Are autos and manuals the same in this area?


same here.. I've never had only one wheel peel


ditto



Re: burn out!
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:11 PM
same here


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Re: burn out!
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:59 PM
Jason (I think) from Team Green can hook you up with a nice LSD if you have the Isuzu manual tranny. Good quality, and even better price.



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Re: burn out!
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:05 PM
I'm with the other two-wheel wonders.
Also, you can weld it, but have you ever driven a RWD truck with lockers? Think of that, but twice as bad. Only good if you never plan on turning, but good for burnouts.



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Re: burn out!
Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:52 PM
Get the Team Green (Speed Racer member here) drop in lsd for $215 shipped I just ordered mine and I'm waiting for it to arrive. It two 4140 billet plates with 900#'s of spring pressure against the spider gears, you'll definatly have both wheels spinning then. I can't wait for mine to get here.


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Re: burn out!
Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:00 PM
phantom grip has worked well for myself. over 40,000 miles and about 1000 miles of auotX....





Re: burn out!
Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:37 PM
Never spun one tire always two tires for me. If you can't spin two it's only good becuase you only need to replace one tire when it wears out!

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Re: burn out!
Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:13 PM
Brad Paauw wrote:Never spun one tire always two tires for me. If you can't spin two it's only good becuase you only need to replace one tire when it wears out!
LOL! I'm sure you don't mean that seriously, but as a joke instead (at least I hope). But just for clarification so nobody actually takes that seriously, if you find your car only spinning one wheel quit doing it immediately. It's BAD, mmkay? Unless you actually want to ruin your differential, spider gears, etc., if you feel it happening let off the throttle, or if you know it tends to happen when you gun it while turning, don't do that.




Re: burn out!
Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:15 PM
Ya I was just joking about only replacing one tire but it sounded good at the time.

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Re: burn out!
Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:50 PM
OHV notec wrote:I'm with the other two-wheel wonders.
Also, you can weld it, but have you ever driven a RWD truck with lockers? Think of that, but twice as bad. Only good if you never plan on turning, but good for burnouts.

yea, i use to drive a ram1500 with lockers and 3.92 out back while livin in wisconsin, .............................my god, dont know how many times i've ended up sideways in the middle of the road, or in a ditch, or someones front yard, or....well you get the idea

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