If a person was going to build a custom long ram intake (such as a custom front mount intake) that was going to run up to a 56mm TB...... what size tubing would be optimal?
Would it work better if:
a)the whole intake had the same size piping? (say... 3")
b)the intake pipe started out large and then got smaller as it got closer to the tb? (3.5" to 3")
c)the intake pipe started out small and got bigger as it got closer to the tb? (2" or 2.5" up to 3")
Correct me if I am wrong but:
+volocity = +Volume = +air into the tb
& volocity + volume = +air into the tb
So, if a person needed to get more air from a further distance then you would need to speed the air up? So, if you had a small diameter pipe @ the filter then the air would be moving "fast" and then if you opened the intake up with a larger diameter pipe closer to the tb then the fast moving air would equal more volume introduced to the tb?
Any help or sugestions would be appritiated!
Chris, i'll give you a suggestion....when it comes to intakes, don't put too much thought into them. It's very simple. Get yourself 2 1/2" piping and put a filter on of your choice, that's it.
As far as velocity goes, 2 1/2" is a good size, 3" would be a waste of material because your throttle body determines how much actual air gets through.
Also, 2 1/2" is still good even if you did open up your throttle body...it's plenty enough air passing through and keeps it at a good velocity. Anything bigger I feel would be overkill.
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I have an (aerogear) front mount intake box and evryone keeps telling me not to use a front mount intake. But there isn't anyone else on here using one of the intake boxes like I have soo I am wanting to build a long ram intake to mount my air box in my front bumper but I also want it to help me not hurt me. I am not worried about water ect. I have that covered but I am not sure about piping from my front bumper to my tb?????
P.S.
what did you come up with for your liscence plate???
chrisparis wrote:I have an (aerogear) front mount intake box and evryone keeps telling me not to use a front mount intake. But there isn't anyone else on here using one of the intake boxes like I have soo I am wanting to build a long ram intake to mount my air box in my front bumper but I also want it to help me not hurt me. I am not worried about water ect. I have that covered but I am not sure about piping from my front bumper to my tb?????
P.S.
what did you come up with for your liscence plate???
Like I said before, you're trying to do all this work that isn't necessary. What you plan on doing will probably give you little to no gains over just doing a regular intake setup. What people forget is that air has to travel from the outside...being that the piping would be longer, it has to travel farther...this might hurt your performance in certain points of your powerband.
You shouldn't be trying to find some creative way to mount an intake at your front bumper because honestly it won't make much of a different. Temperature shouldn't be an issue if you're trying to achieve the "true cold air intake" kind of thing. Under the hood while in motion, there is plenty of under hood air circulation going on so you wouldn't be sucking in a ton of heat from your motor.
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Actually, I am trying to build a custom "ram air" set up, and I do understand that the air circulating around the engine compartment is probly close to the same air temp. as it will be in my bumper. So, all of this has nothing to do with a "cold air" set up at all. All of this is to have a "RAM AIR" intake setup!
Thanks for the input so far!
tell me if THIS is wrong:
if I start off with a large pipe (3") coming off of my bumper mounted air colector box and then reduce it (2.5") about half way to my tb then the air should speed up as it is being "forced" through the intake. (the faster I go the more it should collect and force to my tb) So the engine will be natually asperated forced air fed.
Is my logic of thinking this is a good setup wrong? Should I leave it alone and buy an intake pre-made for my cav? or should I build it and see what happens?
chrisparis wrote:Actually, I am trying to build a custom "ram air" set up, and I do understand that the air circulating around the engine compartment is probly close to the same air temp. as it will be in my bumper. So, all of this has nothing to do with a "cold air" set up at all. All of this is to have a "RAM AIR" intake setup!
Thanks for the input so far!
tell me if THIS is wrong:
if I start off with a large pipe (3") coming off of my bumper mounted air colector box and then reduce it (2.5") about half way to my tb then the air should speed up as it is being "forced" through the intake. (the faster I go the more it should collect and force to my tb) So the engine will be natually asperated forced air fed.
Is my logic of thinking this is a good setup wrong? Should I leave it alone and buy an intake pre-made for my cav? or should I build it and see what happens?
Your logic is right, However it has to be a gradual devreace in diameter, A sudden decrease in pipe diameter, does not allow optimal air flow, that little bump will cause a restriction and prevent air from flowing properly.
However, with that said, your gonna tell me the IAT with also be a restriction, and it is, but not enough of a restiction to deviate from a perfect flow.
short ram is all you need. you won't gain @!#$ from this "long ram" front mount or ram air setup or whatever the hell you are thinking about doing. if it was possible and did anything, at least event or myself would have it already done. just go buy a short ram from ebay and move on
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Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:short ram is all you need. you won't gain @!#$ from this "long ram" front mount or ram air setup or whatever the hell you are thinking about doing. if it was possible and did anything, at least event or myself would have it already done. just go buy a short ram from ebay and move on
Agreed!
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Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:
short ram is all you need. you won't gain @!#$ from this "long ram" front mount or ram air setup or whatever the hell you are thinking about doing. if it was possible and did anything, at least event or myself would have it already done. just go buy a short ram from ebay and move on
So, your trying to tell me that with all the people and all the ideas from all on here that if the two of you havn't tried it then there is NO way that is could possible make any difference?
If ram air didn't make any kind of difference then why would companies like RKSport make funtional hoods? Why would companies like pontiac put factory ram air hoods on some of there cars? Why do you have to bash on people instead of incouraging them to "think outside the box" and try something new?
If forcing air into your intake was stupid then why are so many people putting turbos and superchargers on there JBody? Yah, ram air may not "comprese" the air any way like a turbo or supercharger but you would still think that it would have some kind of binafit????
Has anybody on here ever tried a ram air setup other than just shoving a cone filter in there bumper? If you can't prove to me that it is wirthless, pointless, and just a waist of time, then I am going to prove to you that it WILL make a difference.
i have had three setups, the big difference between the three was where the power-band was and how much gas it dumped. maybe maybe maybe a 1 horse here or there. but nothing i would waste money at a dyno with.
my three setup were ram air on my second gen made for nice ride vs my dads, same car with air-box in a different spot. not a huge difference but a bit more pep than his stock ride.
short ram which I had first and have now, better throttle at low rpms better torque
long ram tubing down into the fender well and the filter where the fog light should be, low rpm torque lost but improved highway driving response.
its all in where you want the power that the "real" difference, all get you a bit more than stock and all will burn more gas than stock ( ie your getting more air )
this is all based on my observations, and just plain keeping track of my gas mileage, no dyno was used of abused in these tests as i feel I'm not high enough on the power food chain to worry about it...yet.
Preach on Pimpin'! Everyone has to try their own thing. That is the meaning of "Trial and Error!" Do what you think is best, and prove that everyone's ideas, may fail, or may succeed. I think that if the setup was correct, and trialed to perfection, then you will see some type of gain. It may only be a barely noticiable gain, but it will still be a gain. Try what you want, and let us know how it turns out!!!!!!!
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chrisparis wrote:Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:
short ram is all you need. you won't gain @!#$ from this "long ram" front mount or ram air setup or whatever the hell you are thinking about doing. if it was possible and did anything, at least event or myself would have it already done. just go buy a short ram from ebay and move on
So, your trying to tell me that with all the people and all the ideas from all on here that if the two of you havn't tried it then there is NO way that is could possible make any difference?
If ram air didn't make any kind of difference then why would companies like RKSport make funtional hoods? Why would companies like pontiac put factory ram air hoods on some of there cars? Why do you have to bash on people instead of incouraging them to "think outside the box" and try something new?
If forcing air into your intake was stupid then why are so many people putting turbos and superchargers on there JBody? Yah, ram air may not "comprese" the air any way like a turbo or supercharger but you would still think that it would have some kind of binafit????
Has anybody on here ever tried a ram air setup other than just shoving a cone filter in there bumper? If you can't prove to me that it is wirthless, pointless, and just a waist of time, then I am going to prove to you that it WILL make a difference.
you can only gain so much from an intake. from usual intakes, even taking the "high" numbers that manufacturers advertise, you are gaining about 6-8 hp. If you're lucky and your theory somehow works, you're looking at gaining about 2 hp more.
Intakes aren't meant to be big power adders. it's just another bolton. If it's worth it to you, by all means, go ahead.
15.574 @ 89 mph stock
chrisparis wrote:If ram air didn't make any kind of difference then why would companies like RKSport make funtional hoods?
A functional hood is a hood that has an opening from the outside into the inside of your engine bay. Most companies do it for looks. As far as performance gains...it could lower your under hood temps because you're allowing more air to circulate in the engine bay but that's about it.
chrisparis wrote:If forcing air into your intake was stupid then why are so many people putting turbos and superchargers on there JBody?
ok...maybe you don't know too much about boost but there is a HUGE difference between any god like ram air intake and Turbos or Superchargers. The issue isn't forcing air, the issue is that you're not forcing air. Just because your car is moving 60 mph doesn't mean that you're shoving tons of air into your intake system.
chrisparis wrote:Yah, ram air may not "comprese" the air any way like a turbo or supercharger but you would still think that it would have some kind of binafit????
Compress isn't the word...force is more dead on. You're talking about 2 devices that are much more complicated and run off of something to make it produce a stonger flow of air (Example: Turbos run off of Exhaust Flow, Superchargers run off of the pulley on your crank).
chrisparis wrote:Has anybody on here ever tried a ram air setup other than just shoving a cone filter in there bumper?
Good question...I personally have and honestly, there is no difference. I have had an Dragon Intake system with a hose that went down to my front bumper. As time went by I switched out filters and the hose wasn't really functional anymore...little to no difference.
chrisparis wrote:If you can't prove to me that it is wirthless, pointless, and just a waist of time, then I am going to prove to you that it WILL make a difference.
See this is my problem with you right about now...you're coming on here asking peoples opinions but when we give it to you, you are trying to disprove our advice. If you don't want our advice, don't ask for it. I'm here to help who ever I can help but when I'm telling you that there is no difference and you shouldn't waste your time and then you come back trying to tell me that it is worth it, it makes me think "why are you asking us if you know the answer?". See my point?
That is all...
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Sorry I started bad feelings towards me..... the main question that started this whole thing was the question of: IF I was going to run a front mount intake.... then what size piping should I use?!? I think you answered that in your first reply (2.5"). Thank you and I am sorry that this post escelated to the point that it did. Thanks for the info and I will take into considuration your opinions before I do my install!!! Thank you again for telling me what size piping!!
chrisparis wrote:Sorry I started bad feelings towards me..... the main question that started this whole thing was the question of: IF I was going to run a front mount intake.... then what size piping should I use?!? I think you answered that in your first reply (2.5"). Thank you and I am sorry that this post escelated to the point that it did. Thanks for the info and I will take into considuration your opinions before I do my install!!! Thank you again for telling me what size piping!!
It's no problem and no future hard feelings. If you have any further questions in any other topics, I'd be glad to help you out. Peace and good luck.
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you can only gain so much from an intake. you will NEVER simulate the effects of a turbo or supercharger with any intake seutp. what's the point on spending stupid amounts of money to gain maybe one more hp.
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