i have a 97 z24 and i just bought a 92 beretta gtz with a 2.3L HO. i am going to try to swap the 2.3L into my 97 2.4. has anyone done this. i have searched and i found nothing but 2.3L intake manifold swaps. i would like to know what is involved, mostly with the mount locations. after that i can get everything else to work. any help would be greatly appreciated.

i am also parting the rest of the gtz out if anybody wants anything. i will ship to anywhere in the states

the engine will bolt right in. you can even use that transmission with a little work. biggest problem your going to have is engine management and the power steering pump. unfortunately your cluster is tied into your pcm and the ho engine has no cam position sensor for obdII. the power steering pump for the betetta can be adapted to your rack so thatsnot to big of a deal. i know im biased but i would recomend keeping the stock pcm so all the little things in your car will still work right without a @!#$storm of retrofitting. you can controll the engine itself with a megasquirt easily and have it coexist with the factory computer. i have mine managed by megasquirt and all of my factory accessories work fine still. the cam sensor is unhooked



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Throw away the Z24 and keep the Gtz. You have one of the few Gtz with a quad 4 made in 92.

You can't use the Ho engine with the 2.4 Ecm. The 97 2.4 Ecm need an Egr, Cam sensor and only rev to 6500.

You need the Ho ecm to run the Ho engine. You'll have to either repin the connection or change the whole harness. You can run you stock cluster with the Ho ecm. The mounts are the same except , maybe, the trans mount. Use the Ho axle.



Gilles
2.3 Ho

i am wondering if this can be used to simulate the cam sensor in some way. maybe mimic the saturn setup or something

http://www.msdignition.com/sci_16.htm

although this does not help with the redline and fuel/timing issues..



Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..

Mfk-223 wrote:Throw away the Z24 and keep the Gtz. You have one of the few Gtz with a quad 4 made in 92.

You can't use the Ho engine with the 2.4 Ecm. The 97 2.4 Ecm need an Egr, Cam sensor and only rev to 6500.

You need the Ho ecm to run the Ho engine. You'll have to either repin the connection or change the whole harness. You can run you stock cluster with the Ho ecm. The mounts are the same except , maybe, the trans mount. Use the Ho axle.

listen to this guy man he knows his stuff.

Jrobz23 wrote:i am wondering if this can be used to simulate the cam sensor in some way. maybe mimic the saturn setup or something

http://www.msdignition.com/sci_16.htm

although this does not help with the redline and fuel/timing issues..

no.


I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.

sorry i dont want to clog your post. i will make a new one. i just thought this might apply. spots im not trying to "simulate" the cam sensor but trying to get a work around for the 2.4 setup (on the cam) while still using the stock 2.4 pcm.



Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..

dude..the engine will fit..dont worry about the powersteering ..if you use the HO one itll work fine...also keep the 5speed tranny..ESPECIALLY if its the 3.94 one..itll also bolt up FINE...one thing you will need to make this work easier is to just get yourself a 95z24 ecm and all the wiringthat way you can plug it in and go what your doing isnt THAT hard and should have a good outcome...but like gilles said the beretta is nice and unless something is wrong with it theres no reason to change...maybe for weight???



"Freedom 'ought to have its limits"-George W. Bush may 31 1999 (who voted for this idiot?)

i will take the tranny if you dont want it

no really i will take that tranyy, but interms of this swap gilles and scott have sent or told me so much info my head feels heavy but good choice on the motor, i am going 2.3 in 97, going to start work on it in about a month just getting funds tother and trying to do a little work on my 95.2.3 lo auto make it look pretty since it is an auto

ok here is the story. i am building a spare 2.4 for turbo i have had it apart for to long because of money reasons. my factory isuzu trans went out of the car. and i have not been able to drive for about 5 months. i go to school for automotive technology and a kid in my class bought a beretta gtz. i is in bad shape ( he paid someone of to get it to pass inspection) and the other day he blew the headgasket and he is selling it to me for $300. i want to put the engine and tranny in my cav so i can actually drive it until i get the 2.4 turbo project done next summer.

ok first off i wouldnt drive an engine with a blown headgasket so i hope you replace it...second why dont you turbo the quad?? its more power and the tranny is better



"Freedom 'ought to have its limits"-George W. Bush may 31 1999 (who voted for this idiot?)

wow, you think you'll save money here? hahaha. If the kid blew the head gasket, he was probably innocent enough to drive it like that and overheat the engine. So You'll need a head and a COMPLETE rebuild. So why not stick whit the 2.4? only use the 2.3 tranny.

The head IS crack even if I don't see it. I know it is. Now there's probably coolant in the oil so he run it like that so the bearing went to hell already. The oil pump is gonna let go for sure and it will damaged the crank gear if it's not replace.

So if you still want to do it, tow the car home and take the engine appart but you'll be at the same stage as your 2.4 except you have a tranny.

btw, 300$ is alot for a tranny.



Gilles
2.3 Ho

ok, i have had about enough. you people are talking to me like i am an idot. if you read the second post i made i said that i was going to college for automotive technology, and the kid i bought the car off of is in the same program. he is definitley smart enough to not drive the car with a blown headgasket. second of all i am smart enough to change the headgasket before i run it and i already had plans to have the head decked and manafluxed(crack tested) at the local machine shop. o, and this is going to save money. i only paid $300 for the hole car. i can easily get more than that out of parting the body out. o yeah, if the head blow and he did not drive it far explain to me why i would need a complete rebuild??? i don't want to turbo the quad4 because the block is not as strong as a 2.4L that is directly from gm performance. plus i want to leave it n/a for a back up engine.

gilles,
i have been on the is site for many years, not posting alot but just reading and absorbing information, and your informations always seems accurate until that last post. yes there may be coolant in the oil but that is nothing that and oil change wouldn't take care of. the kid i bought the car off of said the gasket went in his driveway and has sat there since, so i highly doubt that the head is cracked.

and the last thing i wanted to say. i asked peoples advice about the SWAP not what i should do with the car or the engine
thank you to anyone who made productive post

sorry bout that dude..were just always dealing with people who dont really know what all is involved with what they are trying to do so its just habbit for us.....but to answer your question if you want to make it "easy" just get a 95 z24 ecm with wiring ...the engine will bolt right up to the mounts and all you have to do is wire it fairly easy ...good luck with the project



"Freedom 'ought to have its limits"-George W. Bush may 31 1999 (who voted for this idiot?)

You know what Scott, you can help him. I did offer him help but he seem to "know it all" since he got an automotive technology class. That doesn't mean sh**. You know that all I said was true about the 2.3 because I talk from experience so he can do whatever he want, I don't care about an idiot like that.

<rant>
Mathew, you don't that engine and you try to tell me how it work? haha, you have not been here long enough then. I know my quad and I don't need an automotive class to know how my car work. I offer you help and you act like an idiot to me. So you can take your "knowledge" and shove it up your @.

/rant



Gilles
2.3 Ho

ok. gilles i will apologize for coming of as an @ but i was just replying the your post "wow, you think you'll save money here? hahaha." and i wasn't saying you don't know what you are doing i also do not know it all, i was just stating that you didn't have to speak to me like i don't know what is going on. and i have been around for a while and i know my quad also down to what years the made changes the blocks and heads. i may not know as much as you about quads but my original questions was what was involved with the swap. again i am sorry for pissing you off. so take it as you want, don't help if you don't want to. i would also like to thank scott and everyone elso for there help.

It's ok Mathew. I appologize too for the way I act on the previous post.

Thing is, the 2.3 is a sensitive engine. As soon as you get coolant in the oil in a 2.3, you will have to change almost everything. I toast a brand new 2.3 when one of the heater line blew up. 1 miles and the bearing were shot and the oil pump was seized.

The 086 head from the HO engine need alot of care. It will crack really easily and they crack even under normal temperature. With a blown head gasket, the head is probably crack. They are alot more sensitive than you think. Some engine you can get away but not the 086 head.

The block is as strong as the 2.4 block. If you ever brake a 2.3 block, you'll be running more Hp tahn you need on the street. Even the 500hp fiero doesn't have any sleeve and run 0.030 over.

If you only want N/A hp from the 2.3 engine well you can get big cams from the-race-shop.com. Bigger pistons are easy to find, you can get the 086 port on the exhaust side ONLY, get the intake manifold extrude hone.

I have more info but I'll post later.



Gilles
2.3 Ho

truthruly i would love to build the 2.3 but i never thought that i would find one. plus i already have all the bottom end parts(crand piston rods and gasket sets) and machine work done to the 2.4. i had it line bored and bored .030 over. so i want to finish the 2.4. the 2.3 engine only has to last me until the 2.4 is ready. and if it blows then i guess i will have to buy another cavalier and build the 2.3 for it.

** sniff sniff...brings a tear to my eye to see you guys getting along hehe



"Freedom 'ought to have its limits"-George W. Bush may 31 1999 (who voted for this idiot?)