Well I'm coming across some cash..can't decide which to go for..those are the choices above . Plz don't bother giving me comments like "It's not worth the cost/etc" ..or "If I were you I'd swap in *** over the 2 choice" ..I just don't want to hear it.
Now I'm basically stuck between the 2 choices, goal is to have a high 12's low 13's sec car. But I want it reliable(which is why i'm leaning towards the 3800s/c). Now this car would be my daily driver(drag on weekends, and the occasional auot-X) and for the moment will be driven in the winter. Also say i went turbo, would i need to change the tune come winter??
I guess you can say I'm looking for the pros and cons between to 2 and what price/mods am i lookin at for the turbo setup, the 3800s/c i already know ..any help would be great. thanx guys/gals
well you would prob run into more problems if you did the 3800 s/c swap. just my input
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Jay32m wrote:well you would prob run into more problems if you did the 3800 s/c swap. just my input
you mean with the install or in the long run?? this car right now isn't even driving so i couldn't careless if it took 4 months to build..so install being a hasel/time consuming isn't a prob
the 3800 s/c would be your best bet if you want to reach those times and still be reliable but do you plan to use and automatic tranny or manual if you stay auto you wont have to much of a headache putting it in but manual you will have to fanegle the wiring around a bit which=big headache
plus im not too sure i heard those 3800 motors have horrible knock retard problems
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Honestly, you can do hit high 13s/low 12s if you tune it properly and build the motor on your 2.4 without having to make a motor swap.
It's really going to come down to money, time & headaches.
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turbo LD9 definitely. easier, cheaper, less headaches.
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
see cause i found a shop out here that will swap a 3800s/c with a manual tranny and sds stand alone comp. with a full 3inch exhaust.....for 6000CND(that includes motor and trans). To build up a turbo kit for the LD9 and make it reliable..forge the bottom end..the whole nine yards to make it run high 12 constant without blowing..is going to cost close to the same price
EdgeZ24 wrote:see cause i found a shop out here that will swap a 3800s/c with a manual tranny and sds stand alone comp. with a full 3inch exhaust.....for 6000CND(that includes motor and trans). To build up a turbo kit for the LD9 and make it reliable..forge the bottom end..the whole nine yards to make it run high 12 constant without blowing..is going to cost close to the same price
That doesn't sound bad bro. When you say the whole nine yards do they mean also rebuild the motor? If so, I'd rather take a boosted rebuilt 4 cylinder than a boosted stock v6 motor...thats just me though.
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the LD9 loves boost. lower displacment and boost love each other...
Im going with the 3.8. My little 2.4 would cost a crapload to make run 12s relaibly. I'm sticking with the auto 3.8 so the swap isn't all that expensive for parts.
"Fu'k displacement, I'd rather be blown."
well for 6G's is that parts only plus install ??? are they including the mock up of the sub frame and custom mounts ??? are you going to be the first customer to get this ?? are they including the mounts and all the harnesses ?? is the tranny 5spd or is it auto ??? like asked before is the motor stock or is it slightly modded, is it a rebuild ?? warrenty thier work........
if its 6K installed and redy to run, id say it almost seems to good to be true...... i would look into if others have got it from them, and see how the install was how the mounts are holding up ect......if u go turbo LD9 at leas ull kno it will take it, where a stock 3800 will be just that.........stock...
Dave wrote:well for 6G's is that parts only plus install ??? are they including the mock up of the sub frame and custom mounts ??? are you going to be the first customer to get this ?? are they including the mounts and all the harnesses ?? is the tranny 5spd or is it auto ??? like asked before is the motor stock or is it slightly modded, is it a rebuild ?? warrenty thier work........
if its 6K installed and redy to run, id say it almost seems to good to be true...... i would look into if others have got it from them, and see how the install was how the mounts are holding up ect......if u go turbo LD9 at leas ull kno it will take it, where a stock 3800 will be just that.........stock...
This shop has done more than one in a j-body..they've done 2nd and 3rd gens. The 6G's CND includes..well I bring my car and the cash..give them both to the shop and i get a cavalier with a 3800S/C series II mated to a 89z24 5 speed tranny..ready to drive home or race at the strip. Turn around time is about 4 months or so.
Click on the Cavalier . this dude had the swap done at the same shop. It cost him 5300CND mated to the GTP stock auto tranny, he changed it to a 5 speed later on.
My work network is screwy so I didn't see all of the replies. IMO the 3800SC is going to make the car extremely front heavy and very unfun in the turns.
So basically you guys are shoutin for the LD9 boosted..what would be a grandtally on making a reliable high 12/ low 13 ld9 in a cavy(5 speed)?? I know I'd have to forge the bottom-end, I'd swap in the secret cams/HO intake ..but what kind of turbo set up...a.k.a what lbs injectors, compressor spec's would i need.
I know this should be asked in the Boosted section, but it seems like i have ppl that know there stuff in here..thanx
EdgeZ24 wrote:So basically you guys are shoutin for the LD9 boosted..what would be a grandtally on making a reliable high 12/ low 13 ld9 in a cavy(5 speed)?? I know I'd have to forge the bottom-end, I'd swap in the secret cams/HO intake ..but what kind of turbo set up...a.k.a what lbs injectors, compressor spec's would i need.
I know this should be asked in the Boosted section, but it seems like i have ppl that know there stuff in here..thanx
As long as you buy an actual turbo kit (hence has everything with it you need to work properly), you don't need to worry about injecotrs or the actual turbo unless you decide after tuning that the turbo isn't what you want (which most turbo setups give a wide range of tuning as far as power).
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NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:EdgeZ24 wrote:So basically you guys are shoutin for the LD9 boosted..what would be a grandtally on making a reliable high 12/ low 13 ld9 in a cavy(5 speed)?? I know I'd have to forge the bottom-end, I'd swap in the secret cams/HO intake ..but what kind of turbo set up...a.k.a what lbs injectors, compressor spec's would i need.
I know this should be asked in the Boosted section, but it seems like i have ppl that know there stuff in here..thanx
As long as you buy an actual turbo kit (hence has everything with it you need to work properly), you don't need to worry about injecotrs or the actual turbo unless you decide after tuning that the turbo isn't what you want (which most turbo setups give a wide range of tuning as far as power).
I think thats what i'm gonna do, but wouldn't building my own kit be cheaper??
EdgeZ24 wrote:NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:EdgeZ24 wrote:So basically you guys are shoutin for the LD9 boosted..what would be a grandtally on making a reliable high 12/ low 13 ld9 in a cavy(5 speed)?? I know I'd have to forge the bottom-end, I'd swap in the secret cams/HO intake ..but what kind of turbo set up...a.k.a what lbs injectors, compressor spec's would i need.
I know this should be asked in the Boosted section, but it seems like i have ppl that know there stuff in here..thanx
As long as you buy an actual turbo kit (hence has everything with it you need to work properly), you don't need to worry about injecotrs or the actual turbo unless you decide after tuning that the turbo isn't what you want (which most turbo setups give a wide range of tuning as far as power).
I think thats what i'm gonna do, but wouldn't building my own kit be cheaper??
Cheaper, more than likely yes but cheaper doesn't always means better in the world of performance.
If you buy a kit, you have the insurance that (example) your injector size is exactly what you need for the amount of boost your doing and this matches with that (so on and so on). When you build your own kit, your buying parts from all over the place and then you have to have someone make you piping for everything.
There are people who have made their own kits and are ok but I've seen alot of people just have problems with their custom kit. For example, everyone I know who has a Hahn Racecraft Turbo Kit has had no problems with them running on their cars. The people I know who had custom turbo kits built have had to go back to the shop or change something for some reason. That's just my observation.
Not saying you can't make your own kit but without proper knowledge of how turbos work and what you really need, I don't think it's going to go in your advantage. Also, a kit is just less headache and some are even warrantied.
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NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:EdgeZ24 wrote:NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:EdgeZ24 wrote:So basically you guys are shoutin for the LD9 boosted..what would be a grandtally on making a reliable high 12/ low 13 ld9 in a cavy(5 speed)?? I know I'd have to forge the bottom-end, I'd swap in the secret cams/HO intake ..but what kind of turbo set up...a.k.a what lbs injectors, compressor spec's would i need.
I know this should be asked in the Boosted section, but it seems like i have ppl that know there stuff in here..thanx
As long as you buy an actual turbo kit (hence has everything with it you need to work properly), you don't need to worry about injecotrs or the actual turbo unless you decide after tuning that the turbo isn't what you want (which most turbo setups give a wide range of tuning as far as power).
I think thats what i'm gonna do, but wouldn't building my own kit be cheaper??
Cheaper, more than likely yes but cheaper doesn't always means better in the world of performance.
If you buy a kit, you have the insurance that (example) your injector size is exactly what you need for the amount of boost your doing and this matches with that (so on and so on). When you build your own kit, your buying parts from all over the place and then you have to have someone make you piping for everything.
There are people who have made their own kits and are ok but I've seen alot of people just have problems with their custom kit. For example, everyone I know who has a Hahn Racecraft Turbo Kit has had no problems with them running on their cars. The people I know who had custom turbo kits built have had to go back to the shop or change something for some reason. That's just my observation.
Not saying you can't make your own kit but without proper knowledge of how turbos work and what you really need, I don't think it's going to go in your advantage. Also, a kit is just less headache and some are even warrantied.
true that.... does Hahn's make for the LD9 or just the Eco
EdgeZ24 wrote:true that.... does Hahn's make for the LD9 or just the Eco
I thought I heard someone say they are making one for the 2.4...go in the boosted forum and ask that one cause I really don't know.
I know for sure that Jtuners.com has a kit for the 2.4 in different stages. Check it out:
Jtuner Turbo Kits
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my opinion is sort of biased
Heh well I look at this way. How many psi will it take a 2.4 to get into 12s vs a sc 3.8? I learned my lesson from my friends cars
My friend has a sc mustang that ran 11.90s ... sometimes.. and high 14s others. I trust GM stock tuning to get me that power all the time consistantly. Heheh boost is the replacement for displacement... except boost and displacement is the replacement for just boost
"Fu'k displacement, I'd rather be blown."
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goal is to have a high 12's low 13's sec car. But I want it reliable
I don't know of many 12 second turbo 2.4L J-cars... that can be described as both "reliable" and "daily driver". There's certainly less on here than can be counted on one hand.
Same holds true for the L67 swap.. but at least that motor has some serious aftermarket support.. it's easy as hell to get a Grand Prix into the 12's with bolt ons.. getting a 2.4L Cavalier or Sunfire there? You have to build up the whole motor.
No brainer for me.. I'd go with the 3.8SC. But I'm biased as well, I've wanted that same swap for years now...
Plus, the looks when someone sees under the hood and sees a motor that isn't supposed to fit (according to GM).. priceless.
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