i posted in the tany forum but no one even looked. well i have a 2000 z24 and the trany is messing up in second gear ands i cant figure out why. we took it apart or well what we could we could not get the input shafts nore the gears off them.. but they all looked fine.. please helep.. it will not pull in second gear it just goes cling clang cling but if you down shift with all your might it will hold till you put any gas to it and cling clang again.. please help

sean

..it has enough oil, yes?

I dunno, I know very little about trannies. I DO know that my isuzu tranny has been replaced once, and needs to be replaced again, lol, they do not take abuse well. my 2nd and third always grind. good luck, though.







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how can one help if you dont even post what tranny.

both automatics and manuals have shafts and gears, and really you can shift both, as some do shift autos, although shouldnt if not built for it.

i assume you mean manual.

do you have the manual for it? most things internal like that run off of precision so a few ten thousandths can be the difference in tolerances.

ok yes it has the oil.. and second it is the getrag muntsy 5 speed.. i dont know what made it go out or do it.. it done it from the day i bough it .. any ideals and no i dont have the manuall.. they have yet to male one for this trany

doooooood!

from the day you bought it? if it was bought new you def should have went under warranty for it to be fixed... even used.

and you really shouldnt be working on anything that integral without a manual.

gm shop manuals are available either through GM, which also have the transmission listed in the second half of the 2 part manuals.

gm has a shop manual made the same year the car is out. 120$ from the dealer, or

http://www.helminc.com/helm/product2.asp?class%5F2=CHV&mk=Chevrolet+%26+Geo&yr=2000&md=Cavalier&dt=&module=&from=result&Style=helm&Sku=GMP00J&itemtype=N&mscsid=1SSPA7DATFXN9PFQ0KMBJU8D KKRW31V3

http://www.helminc.com/helm/product2.asp?class%5F2=CHV&mk=Chevrolet+%26+Geo&yr=2000&md=Cavalier&dt=&module=&from=result&Style=helm&Sku=GMPT00TURM&itemtype=N&mscsid=1SSPA7DATFXN9PFQ0KMB JU8DKKRW31V3


the part prob was faulty, but now considering you;ve took things apart, i really cant say what you;ve done or didnt do that you should have.


ALWAYS have a manual when working on your car dude. ALWAYS, you need to know the torque specs and etc. its not fly by night like installing an amp or s strut brace.....

g'luck

you can also find em on ebay for around 75-80$

i bought it used 3 months ago..

then 3 weeks after buying it i blew it up and now im having trany probs

ok makes more sense now.....

best i can tell you is to pick up a manual on it.... see what you can find, part of me wants to say synchros, but i;m still learning on how manuals work in precision-wise detail. if it were automatic, i would say one of the plates have a bit much space in there....or could look up some fixes.

not sure how your time table is, or if you have any autoyards close by, but is getting a used tranny out of your time frame needs, and or price range?



i can try and help from here, find some auto yards in your state and give you a list and some prices, or you can check on car-part.com


or check ebay for 2000 cav/sunfire service manuals.

another questions, do any of the gears look damaged or worn?


these links might also help as well...

http://www.j-body.org/forums/search.php?f=41&search=2nd&globalsearch=0&match=1&date=0&threadtype=1&fldsubject=1

namely #3 on the list.


let me know

several reasons no one answered

you didnt give enough info


your typing isnt the best , same with your speeling


the getrag is the 00-up trans


the older MUNCIE/getrag is a older trans


most people around here arent the best transmission techs


from what your describing , its best to let a pro deal with your trans issues


even with all the experence ive got , id take mine to a specialist

agree with jdm cav... i in now way am skilled in it besides the little stuff i have learned from my rebuild and reading on here.

check with a local transmission place and see what they charge for diagnosis. the tranny is out of the car (i assume since you say you took it apart) so it might only be a few hundred or less, considering they dont have to install and extract.

worth getting a few pro opinions from places.

g'luck with it

ok so i agree.. i am sorry for the spelling. i am from granite city il. near stl misouri. you say you want more info. ok here it is.. i bought the car 3 months ago from a friend of mine. when i bought it it already had second gear gone in it. he said it needed syncros. i said ok. i had blown the engine up. and then my other car had quit running as well last night. so while my engine for the cavi is still in prosece of getting built i bought a low mile junkyard engine to put in. the enginr grtyting built will take a few months do to the drysump i am putting on and interally balanceing it. but the trany will not drive in second. you haft to pull really hard to get it to even click in when down shifting. but when you put your foot on the gas it clang clangs again. we took it apart. and the syncros are in pefecrt condition. same as the gears. but the magnet inside the houseing was the only thing that had looked as if it was chewed up. the trany is out of a 2000 cavi 2.4 its the MUNCIE/getrag and i was told very expensive to find parts for. but there all interchangable on the interals.. so if ne one had had this same prob is what i had asked and if they fixed it...

is this clear enough for you!!!!!!!!!!

thank you sean

if it wont hold it self then the scyncros are shot , or something related to them is bad


i know for a brand new trans they were about 1200.00 last time i checked


my best would be to have a trans guy look it over


and the 00 up are just getrags , only the older 1's were refered to as muncie/getrags

I had this same problem with my 02 trans, w/ about 11k miles on it.

Turned out a plastic sleeve on the shift fork broke, making it imposible to shift into 2nd correctly, I had to JAM it into gear.

The service manuals wont have 5 speed information in it....... they have a seperate manual for them. I had to print the info off of the GM Dealer World web site (I was a tech @ GM)

I have all the print outs on how to disassemble the trans.... but your best bet is to take it to a GM dealer, or a Trans shop.






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so i looked again today after getting frustated and after seeing the last post. well on the back side of the shifter fork. wheress you really cant see unless you get up close.. the plastic piece of the shifter fork is gone . it has so much play. and i thank you guys for the help of finding that problem out.. but i still have yet to find out a few small things.. i went to gm today and they are giving me a print out.. but i found tools on ebay for getrag tanys and they say for a f23 and i was wondering what was the exact # of the trany that came in the car could any one help with that..

thanks

ok so that is what it was. was a small peice of plastic off the shift fork.. i found the part number for the fork. but is there just a place to get the plastic peices..does anyone know.. please help..
thanks sean

gm dealership, or gm parts direct or maybe local auto parts stores...

check around.

the 00-up getrags are the F23 , its cast into the case

if you look at the case of the trans , like you are looking down from the hood , you would be able to see it


you might want talk to speedracerZ about the shift for deal