does anyone know if these intakes made by vibrant performance are garbage or not, cuz i have no clue. they might be, they only want 70 dollars for it.
mgardone
an intake is just an intake. there is difference in AEM, Injen, or Vibrant. just pick one
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cold air > short ram.
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I'm buying one. i haven't heard anything bad about them, and vibrant is a really good company. Every time i email them with a question i get a response within a few hours. give it a try. its better than spending $200.00 on some other intakes.
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i like mine no problems at all
Just make sure you get the one that attaches to the TB, and not to the expansion box.
do they make an ecotec one yet?
this is the intake that i am talking about, looks good, but it says that it give you more horsepower, is this true??
mgardone
mgardone wrote:but it says that it give you more horsepower, is this true??
Isn't that the point of an intake?
Rob
Sold 2/2/05
yea, ok then, how much more does it give you then???
mgardone
Minimal gains.... probably 5hp at the most.
I copied this from the sticky post at the top of the Performance forum:
Event wrote:Intakes I’ve had quite a few, which are normally called WAI;s and CAI’s (warm air and cold air) but the real names for them are long ram intake aka CAI and short ram intake WAI.
Short rams are usually more abundant, and from proof they run pretty much similar to long rams. A bit more quicker throttle response can be seen due to a shorter path and less bends to travel through.
Long rams are a bit more rare and are usually mounted down in the fender. Also another note, there are people always referring to “true CAI’s”…don’t know where the term came from, but the only difference between a TRUE CAI and a CAI conversion from a WAI, if the fact that parts came with the alleged “TRUE CAI” all in one package. The filters are all mounted in the same exact area, and the pipes travel the same path. Sometimes they charge you more for the name TRUE CAI depending on where you go. J
Now, The reason I am leaving them to long or short rather than Warm or Cold, is that from measuring with a temp sender and gauge. There was a difference between the two of 4 degrees. Also another bit of note, it wa ian lacey or matt teske, one of the two dynoed a WAI at 9 hp, aem just dynoed one of their CAI’s at 8.6 hp. So does that mean WAI;s are better? No. they have just as many downsides as a CAI. Some people think the heat is extremely bad under the car, which is a myth, cause when the car is in motion air circulates under the hood. So basically you get the same air temp as a CAI.
With a CAI, the filter is mounted low, and in the summer time or sunny days we all know heat absorbs into the ground, and then…heat rises. The lower you have the filter, its still gonna take in warmer air. And also, COLD AIR, is normally what you read. However, use a bit of logic. The air is cold in the winter time, but in the summer, its hot outside. The air your intake takes in is only relative to the air temp outside. Sure dynos say this and that, but you also have to realize, they are in usually controlled environments, and also what a car gains on one car, can differ with the same part on another car. Meaning, I can dyno an intake on my car and gain 8 hp, take it off and give it to you and you may gain 10hp. Hell dynoeing a car outside and inside can make a differnce. The cooler it is the better the car runs.
There are plenty of companies to buy from. A lot of people swear by this and that, and that’s personal choice. Doesn’t exactly mean something is better, and there DEFINITELY isn’t a BEST. If any one claims that theirs is the best simply ask have you tried all the other intakes available? 9 times out of 10, prob not. I stopped after the rksport CAI, mantapart CAI, rsm WAI, mantapart WAI, and about 5 other self made intakes… there really wasn’t much difference in temp nor performance. Yea I wasted money, but I wanted to see what was all the hype. Back then intakes were around 200$ now they bump into the 300$ range. Some can justify it, I can’t. it’s a metal pipe with a filter on the end. Keep in mind every company out there has made a public printed claim that there intake is the best, or gives the most gains
AEM makes this claim: Outperform every comparable intake system on the market
http://aempower.com/product_intake.asp
other companys have made their claims, and while I will publicly say I don’t doubt ANY of them, one persons intake will always produce better results than another. On different cars results will vary. Don’t fall into the ordeal where company X said 10HP, but company Z make 7HP. It is quite and DEF possible, that Z may actually produce more on your car than X does.
For those that will want to make their own, save money and get pretty much the same performance. These sites will help.
http://www.airflowonline.com
http://www.ny-jbodies.org/forum/library/2200/intake.htm
http://members.aol.com/htown2200/intake.html
most of these are for a 2200 2.2 which can be done on a 95-97 2.2 as well, but if you have a 2.4, or 2.3 or ecotec, its really the same process, you just need to substitute different parts. Use the imagination. It’s a really easy job to do.
For those that will want to buy and intake, there are a few JBO locals and companies to check out.
Don’t get mad Chris, putting your registry/name out there.
http://www.j-body.org/members/agentomega/ he has produced some for the 2200. email him for other cars. They are of decent quality and a reasonably low price. Same as ToBoyz intakes.
And a few companies:
http://www.rsmracing.com
http://www.mantapart.com
http://induction-dynamics.com/
http://rksport.com/
http://carcustoms.net/store/
http://highrevmotorsports.com/catalog/default.php
http://www.howellautomotive.com
http://www.cavalierconnection.com
and even
http://www.ebay.com
those are some sites to get you started. If at worse, check google or WebCrawler, you will find more side shops that have them.
Rob
Sold 2/2/05
Spotabee Racing wrote:cold air > short ram.
FALSE
def disagree.
there are short rams that way out perform long rams. some intake companies dont even make long rams cause of this reason. no need to.
for starters...."cold air" (great gimmick catch word used in marketing) but lets be realistic in the summer time its 90+ degrees out in most places. where do you get COLD air from? besides a cryo2 kit attached or a fridge on the filter.
then, ever notice when its hot in the summer time and roads usually give off heat? that heat is the closest to the filter on an alleged "COLD AIR" intake.... so you are sucking in road heat which can get up to 144+ degrees.
not to mention every bend extra you add in an intake slows air flow down and makes a restriction as its a longer distance to travel.
air circulates up under the hood during movement, so the same air you get from a long ram, you get on a short ram.
intakes ARE pretty much the same. its a pipe with a filter. every company has a gimmick or some BS claiming they are the BEST.
HOW ELSE ARE THEY GONNA GET YOU TO SPEND YOUR MONEY ON THEM???? look in any car magazine. but then look at reality. with all the ads you read "we have the best performance, etc etc etc" you dont really see races comming down to just an intake. in fact, thats prob the least of the parts making a difference.
as it stands the fastest cars on this site, in the 13's and below and such....alot of them were custom made intakes.
dyno sheets are good for bragging rights, individual tests and improvement on the same car, but then again cars dyno different on different dynos and no two cars even if similar are exactly the same. some companies have dynoed their product on one car, and produced maybe 2-3hp, they then search for another car that will give em more around 5-7.
vibrant is just as good as pretty much any other intake. i currently made my 11th intake out of vibrant DIY parts. works just as good as any other of the major brands i;ve tried. the way i see it, anyone trying to sell an intake will tell you "ours is the best"...who would wanna buy, just an ok intake?
personally vibrant is cool, i use their 2.75 pipe. its aluminum which doesnt retain heat as much as steel, hence the reason heatsinks are usually aluminum. able to dissappate heat quickly.
g'luck on choice.
i didn't know they made diy parts. where can i pick these up?
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