SO ya I have an ecotec. I hear lots of great things about it like how it can handle boost and nitrous on stock internals well, how it has an aluminum block etc. But what makes it so much different than other motors? Are the internals upgraded in some way? Is it just the wya it was designed? etc.
From what I see and have come to understand they are very light modular motors, that are efficient, globally designed, and just damn sexy. haha. To each their own though.
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Krisco65 wrote:SO ya I have an ecotec. I hear lots of great things about it like how it can handle boost and nitrous on stock internals well, how it has an aluminum block etc. But what makes it so much different than other motors? Are the internals upgraded in some way? Is it just the wya it was designed? etc.
its basically because GM is now backing one of their sport compact motors and actually producing parts for it.
the quad 4 in its heyday was like the ecotec. speed records were being broken with it, etc etc etc...
then GM basically offered little support for sportcompacts for a long time. atleast not direct factory stuff.
then the ecotec came out, and they started usin em to compete in the sport compact scene, with TFATF and the whole sportcompact scene being a marketing powerhouse, threw in their cards.
so now you hear so much about it because of the publicity it gets from the sponsored cars, and also because they are finally pushing their sportcompact line with a hella lot more enthusiasm.
any engine can be made great. thing is, for a long time, the people you;ve seen come and go on this forum, runnin 13's then 12's then 11's made engines that didnt get much publicity great.
the people here knew about them and the engines potential...
but with gm sponsoring the ecotecs in the national ihra and nira type circuits, needless to say, with money you can do a hella lot more with an engine along with more marketing.
i like it becasue the ecotec history goes back to opel and vauxhall. THUS, german blueprints!
so to me....its like i ALMOST got a nice german engineered vechile. hehe
almost, like i almost have a 6 foot cock
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its prettier than the LD9, lol
engine it self is good with the only real setback being the rods & the fact that the electronics that make it work suck a fat one
i dont see why everyone thinks its such a great engine for boost. An aluminum head with a 10:1 Compression, that just screams for boost. . .
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-JaysonZ24- wrote:i dont see why everyone thinks its such a great engine for boost. An aluminum head with a 10:1 Compression, that just screams for boost. . .
view any GM drag car... thats partly why. thats proof that high levels of boost can be done. most wont ever reach that area, but it can be done.
Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:-JaysonZ24- wrote:i dont see why everyone thinks its such a great engine for boost. An aluminum head with a 10:1 Compression, that just screams for boost. . .
view any GM drag car... thats partly why. thats proof that high levels of boost can be done. most wont ever reach that area, but it can be done.
if thats so, why did GM need to destroke the engine to add boost to it? Wouldnt low compression pistons and forged internals be enough? I mean to say its great for boost 10 PSI on stock internals should be a problem. They are only running 12 PSI. Low Comp pistons and forged internals should be more than enough.
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Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:
its basically because GM is now backing one of their sport compact motors and actually producing parts for it.
the quad 4 in its heyday was like the ecotec. speed records were being broken with it, etc etc etc...
then GM basically offered little support for sportcompacts for a long time. atleast not direct factory stuff.
then the ecotec came out, and they started usin em to compete in the sport compact scene, with TFATF and the whole sportcompact scene being a marketing powerhouse, threw in their cards.
so now you hear so much about it because of the publicity it gets from the sponsored cars, and also because they are finally pushing their sportcompact line with a hella lot more enthusiasm.
any engine can be made great. thing is, for a long time, the people you;ve seen come and go on this forum, runnin 13's then 12's then 11's made engines that didnt get much publicity great.
the people here knew about them and the engines potential...
but with gm sponsoring the ecotecs in the national ihra and nira type circuits, needless to say, with money you can do a hella lot more with an engine along with more marketing.
I would like to add to this.
Ecotec is good because is has one basic architecture, which is cost effective (for GM) when doing multi displacement, in any form of boost, or any for for fuel injection.
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i like it becasue the ecotec history goes back to opel and vauxhall. THUS, german blueprints! so to me....its like i ALMOST got a nice german engineered vechile.
The only thing the Ecotec in your J that is synonymous with the old Opel's Ecotec is the name. The name "Ecotec" is just pure marketing and good marketing to that.
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-JaysonZ24- wrote:Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:-JaysonZ24- wrote:i dont see why everyone thinks its such a great engine for boost. An aluminum head with a 10:1 Compression, that just screams for boost. . .
view any GM drag car... thats partly why. thats proof that high levels of boost can be done. most wont ever reach that area, but it can be done.
if thats so, why did GM need to destroke the engine to add boost to it? Wouldnt low compression pistons and forged internals be enough? I mean to say its great for boost 10 PSI on stock internals should be a problem. They are only running 12 PSI. Low Comp pistons and forged internals should be more than enough.
are you saying the drag cars are running 12PSI?
cuz if so thats a lil off they are well past 20PSI actually i beleive they are close to if not past 30PSI
-JaysonZ24- wrote:Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:-JaysonZ24- wrote:i dont see why everyone thinks its such a great engine for boost. An aluminum head with a 10:1 Compression, that just screams for boost. . .
view any GM drag car... thats partly why. thats proof that high levels of boost can be done. most wont ever reach that area, but it can be done.
if thats so, why did GM need to destroke the engine to add boost to it? Wouldnt low compression pistons and forged internals be enough? I mean to say its great for boost 10 PSI on stock internals should be a problem. They are only running 12 PSI. Low Comp pistons and forged internals should be more than enough.
do you still realize the fact that its still majority the same engine?
so basically just as GM does, one from the streets...me you, whoever. can replicate the same exact setup.
obviously to run power like the drag cars, you are gonna have to beef it up a bit. however to be like the drag cars, we;re not talking about totally scrapping the stock engine and getting another.
its a base platform for things to add onto. sure you might have to destroke it for extremely high boost, or stroke it for extremely high compression N/a car, but the thing is, when you buy the car, you already have the engine.
the potential depends on how much money you shell into it.
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The heart of the Phase 5 Cobalt is a turbocharged 2.2-liter Ecotec engine that’s been modified to produce 535 horsepower while retaining 65 percent of the production engine parts. The race car features GM and aftermarket components, including a race-prepared Hydra-Matic 4T65-E automatic transmission, suspension upgrades, and performance electronics. It is anticipated that some independent teams will race their version of the Cobalt Phase 5 in 2005.
“Chevrolet has captured the attention of sport compact tuners across the nation through its PRO FWD sport compact drag racing and top-level NHRA programs,” said Fred Simmonds, GM Racing drag racing manager. “Now GM is opening the door for them to race with Chevy by offering components specifically engineered for sport compact drag racing. Starting with the new Cobalt’s world-class architecture, a sport compact racer can install components of the Phase 5 package as his or her time and budget allow.”
The Cobalt Phase 5 dragster was created by the same team of GM Racing engineers who developed the championship-winning front-wheel-drive race cars driven by Nelson Hoyos and Marty Ladwig. GM Racing is literally writing the book on building a competitive front-wheel-drive sport compact drag car: An instruction manual will guide enthusiasts through the step-by-step modifications to prepare a production Cobalt for quarter-mile competition.
“The individual components of the Phase 5 race car are designed for straightforward installation,” explained Carmen Smith, GM Racing program manager for sport compact drag racing. “We have created a car that racers can build in their own shops using available parts. For example, the front suspension includes GM production uprights and an aftermarket coil-over kit.”
Many of the components of the Phase 5 package are available from GM Performance Parts, including a ported Ecotec cylinder head, competition camshafts, adjustable camshaft drive gears, neutral balance shafts, and a race-prepared transmission. The rear suspension is a bolt-on assembly from the Cobalt SS Supercharged with an upgraded sway bar, five-bolt hubs and disc brakes. Items such as the turbocharger, engine management system, struts, shock absorbers and safety equipment are available from aftermarket suppliers.
stock is stock, you can only run so much on stock. however the ecotec has way more potential than a good crop of the motors out there.
and yea i do think you need to update on the PSI they are running now.
i got a reason why it is good for boost.
The ecotec is used in a ALOT of different GM models. So if you screw something up and blow your motor.... you can go down to the junkyard, and have a new motor from a written-off vechile for 200 bucks....without waiting for more then 2 hours.
