I have been looking for some performance header for my cavy its a 2002 2.2/2200, and all i've seen is pacesetter header. i wanted to know if anyone has them on thier car and if their emission legal and what kind of performance would i get from them. and if anybody know if there a better header out there for my car let me know.
pacestter is a good brand. ceramic coated is best.
they are emmissions legal. and you would need to do the whole exhaust system to get the most out of your header
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pacesetter are the only current header that has CARB approval
I have same year make and engine.
To make install alot easier. It would be wise to buy the rest of the exhaust for the header. Why? Because the down pipe for the pacesetter (and all others) is a 2.25" diameter. Where as the stock pipe on your car, and mine, is 1.5". Meaning the down pipe and stock intermediate pipe will not clamp together. Welding will be required to install it.
Welding a bigger diameter header to a smaller stock exhaust really doesn't do much.
Then unwelding to re weld the new exhaust takes more money and time.
which one should i get? i see that only have black paint or armor coat; which one is better for my car. and if i get after market catback exhaust would the headers and stock cat. make it pass emissions?
dont get black painted header. the paint flakes off and the header starts to rust within minutes of starting up the engine.
get a local exhaust or muffler shop to bend you some pipe. then pick a muffler of your choice. its cheaper that way and just as good
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The ceramic coated one is the better overall just because the ceramic coat holds up so well.
I have the black one and the paint comes right off. As far as rust goes, it takes quite some time and its only surface. When the motor is cool take some polish too it. For the price you can't beat the black, just needs to minor maintenence is all. Its not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Only thing I suggest is a lower engine mount if you choose not to run a flex pipe.
Heres what my black header looks like, had it since mid 2003.
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seems to be only like 3 choices... OBX, Weapon R and the Pacesetters.... what would you say is the best? and why?
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pacesetter = carb legal
others are copes off either pacesetters or rk sports
pacesetter is a nice header. I have the cermaic coated one on my eco and a friend has a cermaic coated one for his 2200. I would recommend them highly, plus go with the cermaic coated one, it produces less heat, atleast a lot less than the stock header did.
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Xian G wrote:I have same year make and engine.
To make install alot easier. It would be wise to buy the rest of the exhaust for the header. Why? Because the down pipe for the pacesetter (and all others) is a 2.25" diameter. Where as the stock pipe on your car, and mine, is 1.5". Meaning the down pipe and stock intermediate pipe will not clamp together. Welding will be required to install it.
Welding a bigger diameter header to a smaller stock exhaust really doesn't do much.
Then unwelding to re weld the new exhaust takes more money and time.
not true. incorrect.
the pacesetter header is a 2.25 pipe HOWEVER it is designed to clamp around the stock exhaust pipe.
it goes from a 2.25 to a 1.6 inner diameter. its a small addition to the 2.25 pipe, but the outer diameter of the stock pipe is 1.6. i;ve posted pictures of this and the header a while back when i installed mine.
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mines ceramic coated, but this is the picture from the NY J's site froma while ago. as you can see the header drops is size enabling it to be clamped onto the stock pipe.
heres the post on exhaust pipes i made.
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=2&i=254660&t=254660#254660
not to mention the pacesetter header comes with the clamp to accomplish this. its basically a bolton header. although welding is more solid and stronger, its not necessarily needed. and you can install it without welding.
that meant to say "the downpipe drops in size near the end" not header, for those that are gonna nitpick
99redz24 wrote:dont get black painted header. the paint flakes off and the header starts to rust within minutes of starting up the engine.
get a local exhaust or muffler shop to bend you some pipe. then pick a muffler of your choice. its cheaper that way and just as good
When I went to order mine I told the guy I wasn't sure on the painted header because it flakes off. He told me that's because it's a shipping paint and it suppose to be stripped down and repainted with high heat paint. Once I got it I stripped it down and repainted it. Havn't had any problems.
where are you guy's finding the cermaic coated ones all i see is the black paint and the amor coated. i'am about to get them but now i really want the cermanic ones but cant find them where did ya'll go to get them. o yea how do the headers sound with an exhaust systems.
I have the pacesetter ceramic coated header, had the pacesetter steel one but I cracked it. I got mine from www.highrevmotorsports.com a while ago don't know if they still sell it. As for exhaust tone its really deep......mine is raspy cause I don't have a resonator....kinda sounds like a honda....make sure you get flex pipe, resonator, cat.....or its gonna be raspy...
ERICA wrote:where are you guy's finding the cermaic coated ones all i see is the black paint and the amor coated. i'am about to get them but now i really want the cermanic ones but cant find them where did ya'll go to get them. o yea how do the headers sound with an exhaust systems.
the amor coat is what PS calls there ceramic coat. It's the same thing.
i like my OBX 4-2-1 header better than most of the pacesetters. mine is a stainless steel and of course, ceramic is better. however, i would try to get your hands on a 4-2-1 ceramic unit if you can find one.
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Spotabee Racing wrote:i like my OBX 4-2-1 header better than most of the pacesetters. mine is a stainless steel and of course, ceramic is better. however, i would try to get your hands on a 4-2-1 ceramic unit if you can find one.
that obx is a copy of pacesetter's old design header
the current header is now a long tube 4-1 header , which is a better header than the old 4-2-1 design
the o2 sensor now reads all 4 cylingers instead of 2 cylinders like before
and the stainless they use is very thin for stainless , and its not the highest grade stainless
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Spotabee Racing wrote:i like my OBX 4-2-1 header better than most of the pacesetters. mine is a stainless steel and of course, ceramic is better. however, i would try to get your hands on a 4-2-1 ceramic unit if you can find one.
that obx is a copy of pacesetter's old design header
the current header is now a long tube 4-1 header , which is a better header than the old 4-2-1 design
the o2 sensor now reads all 4 cylingers instead of 2 cylinders like before
and the stainless they use is very thin for stainless , and its not the highest grade stainless
I noticed that when i opened up my box the other day. I was lookin for the O2 boss in the header, but its in the first part of the down pipe. I was thinking it was going to be somewhere on the header.
on our ohv header had to because of the starter and the a/c we had to put it in the down pipe just after the collector , so there was room
Heather wrote:99redz24 wrote:dont get black painted header. the paint flakes off and the header starts to rust within minutes of starting up the engine.
get a local exhaust or muffler shop to bend you some pipe. then pick a muffler of your choice. its cheaper that way and just as good
When I went to order mine I told the guy I wasn't sure on the painted header because it flakes off. He told me that's because it's a shipping paint and it suppose to be stripped down and repainted with high heat paint. Once I got it I stripped it down and repainted it. Havn't had any problems.
EXACTLY!!! the black painted ones are meant to flake off. it's just shipping paint to help protect it when it's sitting in the box. it's meant to be taken off and repainted.
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OK Event, you are right. It will, I was just repeating what pacesetter themselves had told me, about the clamping. But I am right that adding the header to stock 2200 exhuast is pointless.
Why have a header that opens to 2.25" just to close it off to 1.5" exhaust? Pretty sure
who at pacesetter told you this? i know that pipe has been that way for quite a while. unless you talked to someone there that was new or didnt have a clue? i know eric works there and him and another tech guy has helped flawlessly in troubleshooting.
and why would it be pointless?
if someone is doing their exhaust, true it will not be as efficient as it can be. but adding a header opens up the front half.
but its the same thing as people getting a catback and no header. it adds a small bit,
but either way getting one half before the other is still an improvement over stock. they both are pieces to a final puzzle. so i disagree with you again (hopefully thats not being rude as you claimed in suspension) but out of logic alone, 0 out of 10 is bad if 10 is your goal.
5 out of 10 is better than 0 out of 10
and 10 out of 10 is ideal.
so basically adding the header is adding the pieces to the puzzle. wont be AS effective, however it will be effective moreso than it was.
true you will add some backpressure, but you will flow through the smaller area with a bit more velocity.
ideal ? prob not
pointless? definately not... if it was, then getting a catback only would be pointless cause you go from a small pipe to a larger pipe, which slows down velocity, but helps a bit.
the 95-97 ohv header exits at 2 1/4" because they have a flanged cat
the eco and the 98-02 are necked down because GM quit using a flanged cat on our cars , and 80% of people out wont replace the cat at the same time they do the header , so you need to be able to tie into the stock pipe
is it more benificial to cut it and go with a full 2 1/4 yes , is it practical for everyone , no
also in most states , you can not change the cat tell your past 50,000 miles , unless it gets physically damaged , or it is a rather large fine
the epa made the factories warrenty them for 70,000 or 80,000 miles depending on the state your in , for a reason
