the 4 cylinder 2.0L in my 1990 Sunbird is getting old and tired. I will have a new engine put in soon hopefully. I researched both the 3.1L V6 that came in the 1991 Sunbird GT and the 2.0L turbo that came in the 1990 GT. From what I read, the V6 is a more powerful engine than the turbo charged 2.0L. I'm not sure it would fit though. Please any comments helping me decide what engine to drop into my car would be more than helpful. thanks
Hmm need to do some more reading buddy the 2.0Turbo was the most powerful engine ever put in a J, search the 2nd gen forum we there's like a 3 page thread on this
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does anyone know the HP and Torque ratings for a 3.1L (sorry to post jack)
1993 Cavalier RS 3.1L
--yea beating honda is like saying you beat a retarded kid at a math test.
i've heard the V6 is rated at 140 hp but it puts out 160 hp with 180 pounds of torque
wow all these misinformations are funny
the 3.1 was 140 hp/180 lbs torque
2.8 was 130 hp/160 lbs torque
the 3100 was 140 in the first run and 160 in the second (not really sure)
the 3400 was 180hp/210 tq in 1999 (again not sure)
the 2.0L turbo was 165 hp/180 lbs torque (not sure on torque)
hmm think that 3400 would fit in my 1990 bird?
Import Killer wrote:hmm think that 3400 would fit in my 1990 bird?
yes it will fit! check out www.domesticcrew.com for swap info for the 3400!
1984 type 10 hatch, 3100 5spd!!
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14.30 on slicks!
a 3.1 and 3400 are virtually the same engine,block is nearly identical
so is the 3100 more powerfull then a 3.1L?
Import Killer wrote:so is the 3100 more powerfull then a 3.1L?
YES! The 3100 and 3400 are more powerful motors. Better Valvetrain components, higher compression, better flow...etc.
I'd swap in a 3400 & a 5-speed from the wreckers...you'll instantly have some to harass Stock SRT-4's in.
If you decided to not swap in a 3100 or 3400...don't do a 2.0L Turbo swap. Those Motors are weak, and don't handle much abuse.
But if I were you...I'd swap in a 3400.
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slowbirdx2 wrote:Import Killer wrote:so is the 3100 more powerfull then a 3.1L?
YES! The 3100 and 3400 are more powerful motors. Better Valvetrain components, higher compression, better flow...etc.
I'd swap in a 3400 & a 5-speed from the wreckers...you'll instantly have some to harass Stock SRT-4's in.
If you decided to not swap in a 3100 or 3400...don't do a 2.0L Turbo swap. Those Motors are weak, and don't handle much abuse.
But if I were you...I'd swap in a 3400.
you ever had a 2 liter turbo bird before? they are not weak, they are turbo motors, and if you treat them like a turbo motor, they will last. but if you just want something somewhat cheap, and very reliable, go with a 3400 swap.
if you want to try boost, get a 2 liter turbo, they are fun and very fast when put together and done right. if the proper maintence is done to them they will last.
i'm on the 2.0L Turbo side
-andy
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'02 sunfire GT (daily driver)
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go the 2.0 litre route mine works flawlessly and u cant argue when rolling through a downtown with a loud blow off valve goin off. I got the turbo xs and its 125 db, soo loud, makes all the ladies look
Oh look...I DID own one...I wasn't talking outta my ass.
I also owned a TBI 2.0L OHC Motor....they are both GARBAGE!
The TBI spun a rod bearing 6 months after I got it...and the Turbo motor killed the Oil pump after 6 months. I took care of the Turbo car...babied it...never brought anywhere near redline...used full synthetic...let the car run before shutting it down....blah....POS.
When I pulled the motor apart, I noticed where the Oil pump was and the ridiculous way I had to get at it.
They are not reliable and any experienced mechanic would tell you that if you asked.
The BOV was the only good thing about that car...and that was all my doing.
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man someone is holding a grudge against an innocent 2.0
SunfireGT wrote:man someone is holding a grudge against an innocent 2.0
LOL....damn straight I am...man....two 2.0L OHC Brazil/GM crappy motors in less than a year went boom on me...and I understand maybe if I treated them both like crap...but that turbo motor...I gave it the best oil...a larger good quality filter...I always kept it at a good temperature...the best gas....5 months later...*poof*
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^^^ yeah the oil pump is a lousy design, coupled to the crank but no engine is perfect and the advantages of the 2.0T outweigh the 3.1 IMO but to each his own
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Slowbirdx2: By you saying the 2.0 is crap, is rather pointless considering that they quit making the 2.0 turbo when you were what about 9? So I highly doubt you got the car new and "babied" it for it's whole life. Which leads me to the fact that you probably do not know how the car was taken car of up untill the point you bought it, hence your statement about the car being babied is irrelevent, and making your statment about the 2.0T being crap unjustified. Done with my rant, Long live the 2.0T!!
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i got love for my 2.0L, 151,000 miles strong with out any major repairs. If you dont beat the engine on the highway, its a very strong little engine...and yah it is kinda gay how it was built in Brazil
It doesn't matter how old I was when the motor came out...it is a lousy motor...the 2.0L OHC motors are crap...look at any customer reviews...ask and seasoned Auto technician, ask someone who has owned 3 J's and 2 of them being crappy 2.0L OHC cars. (Oh...that's me) They are not good engines. Even the guys on the Darmuck site have a firm respect for a stock internals LT3 engine...they can grenade on you easily...at least once a month a member posts about tossing a rod, or spinning a bearing, or selling the car.
It was fun while it lasted...but if I'm gonna boost something...it ain't going to be some assy 2.0L OHC. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone...and try not to get to excitied...it's just my opinion on mistakes I have made (Buying a J equiped with a 2.0L) ...I don't make the same mistake 3 times.
*I got a warning for my sig...I don't understand what it means. Will the moderator or whomever please IM or e-mail me what I need to do to comply to the rules. Thanks*
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Like everybody said the 2.2 were POS, everybody said the 2.3 were POS, everybody said the 2.4 were POS. You know what? They are all great engine. The problem? The OWNER witch me YOU. You can say waht you want. I've seen 2.4 engine go over 200 000 miles, I've seen 2-3 2.3 go over 400 000km. But they are bad engine? common, the driver just don't know how to run the car.
Everybody was saying the 2.3 was blowing head one after another. The only time that I've crak a 2.3 head was because of ME, not the engine. It's like saying "guns kill people". Put a gun on a table. Does it kill people? NO. Put it in the hand of stupid people. Who is killing now? the gun or the guy?. Same thing with the engine.
The reason why the 2.3 was cracking heads? It's beacause stupid people bought the car thinking it's a freaking traffic car. It's like bying a corvette and staying in town in the 35mph zone. What's the deal? Being stupid is the problem.
the 96-98 2.4 loose the 3rd rod bearing because PEOPLE beat them. Not because the engine was from a poor desing.
Btw, when you change your oil every 3000miles or check the fluid level, that's not taking care of the car. It's things you ahve to do. Doing oil change every 1500miles, that's taking care of the engine. Doind regular maitenance and changing parts before they caused trouble, that's taking care. You seem like a young kid saying that he's taking care of the car and you see him doing donuts and racing whit the car. You can say your babying the car but you can run it at 4000rpm, witch is not babying the car.
So if they are THAT BAD, why do you still have one? and if you can't even read the rules of membership, how in hell can you take care of a car. You're like the other stupid kid saying that because he had a diploma that he knew more than the guru. You're probably going to say that you can't afford something else. That car is 15 years old and you can't afford something better? You must be blind too. You can get a 2000-2001 cavy or any other kind for 150-160 a month.
if you don't like them, don't come on a J site to bash them. At least STFU.
Gilles
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Mfk-223 wrote:Like everybody said the 2.2 were POS, everybody said the 2.3 were POS, everybody said the 2.4 were POS. You know what? They are all great engine. The problem? The OWNER witch me YOU. You can say waht you want. I've seen 2.4 engine go over 200 000 miles, I've seen 2-3 2.3 go over 400 000km. But they are bad engine? common, the driver just don't know how to run the car.
Everybody was saying the 2.3 was blowing head one after another. The only time that I've crak a 2.3 head was because of ME, not the engine. It's like saying "guns kill people". Put a gun on a table. Does it kill people? NO. Put it in the hand of stupid people. Who is killing now? the gun or the guy?. Same thing with the engine.
The reason why the 2.3 was cracking heads? It's beacause stupid people bought the car thinking it's a freaking traffic car. It's like bying a corvette and staying in town in the 35mph zone. What's the deal? Being stupid is the problem.
the 96-98 2.4 loose the 3rd rod bearing because PEOPLE beat them. Not because the engine was from a poor desing.
Btw, when you change your oil every 3000miles or check the fluid level, that's not taking care of the car. It's things you ahve to do. Doing oil change every 1500miles, that's taking care of the engine. Doind regular maitenance and changing parts before they caused trouble, that's taking care. You seem like a young kid saying that he's taking care of the car and you see him doing donuts and racing whit the car. You can say your babying the car but you can run it at 4000rpm, witch is not babying the car.
So if they are THAT BAD, why do you still have one? and if you can't even read the rules of membership, how in hell can you take care of a car. You're like the other stupid kid saying that because he had a diploma that he knew more than the guru. You're probably going to say that you can't afford something else. That car is 15 years old and you can't afford something better? You must be blind too. You can get a 2000-2001 cavy or any other kind for 150-160 a month.
if you don't like them, don't come on a J site to bash them. At least STFU.
Hey listen Johhny Assumptions,
Get your facts straight:
* I own the car cause I'm stripping it and selling it off...the only good way a 2.0LOHC motor should be sold: In pieces.
*My problem with my SIG goes beyond knowing the rules, and strays towards a "technical" problem...and that's between the Moderator and myself...I just put that post there so no admin/Mod will think I'm ignoring them.
*The 2.0L OHC Motor IS a piece of @!#$...have you studied it? I have! I went from site to site, taken one apart...it is a POS. I went to look at tons of Turbobirds, and they either had a terrible bottom end knock, or some other serious Internal problem.
...and why are you being a jerk about it? Calm down....relax man. Read my last post and read yours...see the difference? I'm calm, I apologized if I offended anyone, and asked everyone in advance to be calm....you are just angry.
...also, I seem to have a much better grasp of spelling and grammar.
Lets look at this piece of your post, shall we?
Mfk-223 wrote:Like everybody said the 2.2 were POS, everybody said the 2.3 were POS, everybody said the 2.4 were POS. You know what? They are all great engine. The problem? The OWNER witch me YOU. You can say waht you want. I've seen 2.4 engine go over 200 000 miles, I've seen 2-3 2.3 go over 400 000km. But they are bad engine? common, the driver just don't know how to run the car.
Not only do you have a horrible grasp of the English Language but you have nothing against my claim that the
2.0L OHC (Not the 2.2/2.3/2.4) the 2.0L OHC motor was junk. Following?
I have not heard anything bad about the 2.2OHV motor or the 2.2 Eco (which you didn't specify)...I haven't heard anything bad about the 2.3 or 2.4 as well...except that the Timing belt is expensive to do on the 2.4
...I don't want a new Cavy...I like my 60 degree V6..it's fun...and I'm running numbers in my class that no one else has.
I did take care of my Turbobird...I don't need you to tell me otherwise...I know I did. But you seem to only want to get angry and throw wild accusations.
You wanna have a good discussion? I'm more then up for it. But if you're gonna stand around, attack me personally and beat your chest like some dumbas$...well...I guess that makes
you the kid.
If you're gonna reply back try it with some clam maturity.
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surprised nobody said this...get the v6..and turbo that!!
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hmm V6 with a turbo? I dunno if you could put one on a pontiac 3.1L, or atleast I never seen one..that would rock tho!
that would be killer, but the underhood space is at a minumum. a blower would be ideal, or a vortec replacing the a/c compressor (j/k).
chapter10 wrote:that would be killer, but the underhood space is at a minumum. a blower would be ideal, or a vortec replacing the a/c compressor (j/k).
A bunch of people have turbo'd the 3.1...and now a few are doing it to the 3400 swaps aswell.
One guy on V6Z24 has a remote mount Turbo on a 3400 and running 12's
Also, a friend of mine has the centrifigual where the AC compressors was on his 3400 swap and he's running high 13's in a Vert! ....crazy kids.
There's always the good ol' saying: ".There's no replacement for displacement."
...again...I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my dislike for the 2.0L OHC motors...I just wasted alot of money on them...
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