i had a honda and i took off the power steering to give me more hp (around 10 hp)has anyone done this on a cavi for some reason i dont think its gonna be the same
It makes some sense that if you didn't run the belt to the power steering pump that you would be able to eek out a little more hp. But probably not 10hp in a cavy.
Can't say for sure, never tried or known anyone who did.
i donno but i did it in a civic and i know of 3 or 4 people that have done it but they were all civics and i have seen a dyno sheet that showed 10 hp i just wanna make sure that nuthing is gonna go wrong if i do it i dont want to get it off and find out that i have to put it back on kuz of something stupid
cavs are pretty hard to drive with out power steering.
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I don't know why you wouldn't be able to try.Steering will be a pain in the a$$. but it isn't like people didn't have power steering for 20 or 30 years anyway.
ya it was only a pain in the ass when i was stoped or going really slow but i just wanted to know if anyone had tryed it
20 30 year ago car had a lot more negitve caster too.
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Yes, no power steering on a civic is very common, specially on the Hatch's. It would be the same on the J's. You just gotta remember that the J is a bigger car then a civic. So its gonna be harder. If you wanna free something up I suggest removing the AC.
its not that hard to drive as long as your not in a parking lot or tryin to make a U turn
Hey its your car not mine. Just letting you know =P But yes it will free up HP and it is a proven fact. Now exactly how much could vary. Only one way to really find out.
is removing the ac even worth it?? I don't use it anyways until my girl friend yells at me because it is hot. Is the difference noticeable??
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I'm taking mine out, but only because it takes up so much f'in space.
My charge pipes won't run the right way with the A/C there, so either the charge pipe looses the battle for space, or the A/C does. I like power more than air conditioning, so the winner is my turbo system
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Only one way to really find out.
how bout havin your pos battery cable come loose on the freeway?
its a pain in the ass to steer. definately not worth a 5-10 hp gain.
a/c won't get much gain either, since the clutch is free-wheeling when the a/c is off, there's virtually no drag there. To completely remove the system would be good weight savings, but you wouldn't see much if anything on a dyno so far as power is concerned. Power steering would probably pick up a few ponies but it would be a bitch to steer. Good bicep workout plan though i guess.
JBP has a p/s delete kit for the 2nd gens, that includes an idler pulley and a manual steering rack with a different ratio that makes steering when stopped or moving slowly easier. I doubt it would work in a 3rd gen but maybe they could be convinced to develop a kit for 3rd gens as well.
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its not that bad.......well with a civic
thats the dumbest idea ive ever heard.
5-10 hp IS NOT worth no PS.
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I used to have a 02' Sentra and it had manual steering man that thing had some nice handling because the damn thing was light as a feather....Well in July I started to have this problem with my car where it would randomly stall....Once I was going to turn since the light to turn was green I did'nt have to stop so I went to turn and DAMN was it hard to turn since the car stall and I didnt even notice because I didnt glance at the guages....I say don't do it on a 3rd gen J for a fact!
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if u have powersteering on a quad and u remove it i dont see how u can gain power rly. I can understand if u have the 2.2ohv motor.
Disabling the power steering will NOT leave the car driving like one with manual steering from the factory. As mentioned above, a manual steering rack is made differently to make it workable.
On my 2nd gen I had my power steering pump blow out a seal and completely drain. Driving that thing was seriously a two handed effort and wasn't fun at all! This just isn't a practical mod to be considering.
What would be interesting is if you could design some sort of gear or clutch on the pully itself that could set it to freewheeling with the turn of a knob or something. Then you could disable it for the drag strip and re-enable it for the street without having to change belts or remove anything.
That would be a pretty cool device. If anyone ever invents one... you heard it here first!
I was just thinking about this idea yesterday. I had an 86 rx7 with PS, but I took it off for a manual rack. The PS was 2 turns lock to lock. The manual rack was only 3 turns lock to lock, but it handled way better( you could feel the road) , and was more natural feeling especially on small sterring corrections (i.e. on the freeway), not to mention lighter.
I was wondering how the serpintine belt would work on a 2.2 cav without the PS pump, or if I would have to leave the PS pump attached, but swap in a manual rack (without the plumbing lines to the pump), and plumb the pump to itself? I don't even know if that would help at all. If I drained all of the fluid like this would the pulley spool freely or just lock up, and as a result lock up the whole system( that would suck)?
BTW does the second gen manual rack, swap into the third gen steering?Maybe a manual rack would have to be custom made?
oh yeah I do have a 98 2.2 liter.
I'd say if you were to remove one thing, you might as well do both. I know its not a J, but i helped my friend remove his A/C and PS on his civic hatch, and you could definitely tell a difference. I thougt about removing the AC since mines a vert, and i can deal with no PS. Anyone removed both on a J? I figured most of the gains would be off weight redux.
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if the cavs power steering was belt driven then, i would think about it but they are not.
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what do you mean it is not belt driven? The serpintine belt hooks up to a power steering pump..( at least on my 98 2.2)
maybe I could just buy a smaller belt to be used without ps and without ac( i think crank and alternator), but I would have to look under my hood again to see the routing for the serpintine belt ( I think the belt tensioner messes things up). Also this would just make the steering a Batch to turn, I would need a manual rack as well ( I do not trust how some people just plug the old holes on the PS rack where the plumbing to the pump used to be , and call it good).
And in sacramento summers AC is a must... I would just swap back in the old belt ( with ac---and with PS, if the pump's pulley was still on my belt's path even if it was unfunctional i.e. just for the belt to have propwer routing).
