Hey I knew that topic would draw your attention.
Look I've been talking to superchips and hypertech for a while now. I finally got superchips to agree to take an interest in making a tuner for us but it takes some work on our part. I need responses from all of you no matter if you are interested or not.
From what I was told the only way they will make a tuner for us if if they can see in black and white a large enough market worth developing into. When they see the ECOTEC market this is what they had in mind:
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The small car market on the other hand is made up of a lot of two groups of people. Regular family people who have kids and do not have a lot of money to purchase the car or truck that they really would like to have. The other group is the younger generation, as I will call them. They to do not have the money to purchase the car they would really like to have but purchase the smaller car because that is what they can afford, no disrespect here, just how I see things. The family owners most probably will not be chip purchasers as they have a limited budget to begin with and so they drive what they drive and that is it. The younger generation on the other hand, works on the car, finds ways to get the money to work on and make the cars faster and better. The point is, this is only a part of the total market for the smaller cars.
So if we want to prove them wrong and get a tuner available for us then we need to answer these questions for them:
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If you can do some research on the small car market, again numbers how many, age group, how much is typically spent on the car by who, what they spent the money on ect. that would be a good start.
So please wether you own a J or not give your response. I will compile all the statistics and get a project plan together for this opportunity. If you want to see a programmer out there for the ECOTEC, SRT-4, SVT Focus or any other car please give me your answers to the questions above. This is important to our future as small car tuners and could really help with many of our other modifications. Thanks for your time and I hope to hear from many of you.
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I would be interested Not sur what info you want?? not interrested in any BLING-BLING just hard performance parts. 2004 Sunfire, 51 years old Retired GM assembly
I think he somewhat has a point but companies should see that with Birth of the Cobalt and Redline ION that the ECOTEC is going to boom! They know this and don't think it's worth the time or money to invest in it. Of course the J-body modifiers is not as high as Import car owners who modify but there is a market and with companies NOT supporting it will either eventually fall or the companies that do support us will get bigger. We will survive non the less.
I just wish companies could see the potential of the j-body and american market like how RK Sport does. Lets just hope one day someone will step up and FULLY support the ECOTECs.
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The power programmers don't offer enough tuning for a lot of us. They just give you one basic "tune" and thats what you get, other than editing some little things. They just don't have the flexibility that I would want.
HP Tuners if they ever get off thier ass will be some great software, and I'm also working on a similar project with some people to do pretty much the same.
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Ok, so what yore looking for is somthing like this.
Name:
Age:
Ammount Spent and what on:
So I guess I can be # 1
Name : Rich S.
Age: 24
Ammount Spent and on what...
Performance parts Engine related: 1800
Performance parts suspension related:2180
Other performance parts: 250
Visuals and other Bling Bling:1450
WOW I had no idea i spent this much money already. And to think I have another 3K plus planned for this year. Maybe i need a new hobby. <br>
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depending on what happens with HP Tuners and this would compare to with them in amount of adjustments and tuning ability ect...
Name: Darkstars (Ryan)
Age: 20
Bought the car new not even a year ago...
go fast parts roughly $2,500+
suspension: roughly $1,400
looks/visual: roughly $1,600-$1,700
now I remeber why I try not to keep track of how much money I spend on this damn car <br>
Name:maurice davis
Age:30
Ammount Spent and what on...
Performance parts Engine related: 300
Performance parts suspension related:1500
Other performance parts: 200
Visuals and other Bling Bling:0
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see ya!
2000 cavalier coupe
Steven Cantu
Age: 20
Amount Spent and what on
Engine Related: 1200$ on ecotec engine + 1500$ on performance parts
Suspension: 600$
Visual and Electronics: 3000$
Name: Adam Panella
Age: 18
Ammount Spent and what on...
Performance parts Engine related: 300+
Performance parts suspension related: 500+
Visuals and other Bling Bling: 1500+ <---Apparently in Dash TVS arent cheap
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I think this would be good for the low-end modifier (N/A or visuals) but not the high-end modifier (turbo/super charger). High-end folks need to do lots more to get the Ecotec to accept boost correctly so this would not be the problem solver.
But as stated, I think this would be very popular for the low-end/low-budget person or someone just starting out and looking for a little more HP as long as it's not overpriced since they would have the entire market on this! Certainly with the number of Ecotecs out there now and only more to come with the Cobalt and Saturns, this would have to be a seller!
Someone will make loads of money when and if it is produced as long as it's priced to sell!
2002 Cavalier LS Sport Coupe
Deron Warman
Age: 38
Amount Spent and what on
Engine Related: $1600 on performance parts
Suspension: $2000$
Visual and Electronics: $2500
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Eh...old man with a Corvette now...it was bound to happen sooner rather than later right?
2004 Cavalier Coupe
Michael Martahus
Age: 18
Performance: 400 - much more planned
Exterior: 600 - more planned
Wheels Tires: 900
Interior/Audio: 1000 - more planned
Im def interested in an ecotec chip product and would prob buy!
2002 LS Sport Coupe
Name: Jason Mohring
Age: 18
Amount spent and on what...
Performance parts Engine related: $950
Performance parts suspension related: $1500
Other performance parts: Nada
Electronics: $2400+
Name: ohh3sunfire (joe)
Age:19
Ammount Spent and what on...
Performance parts Engine related: 1060
Performance parts suspension related: 0
Other performance parts: 100
Visuals and other Bling Bling:0 <br>
MY 2003 SUNFIRE
Name: (blunts&hoes)drew
Age:23
Amount spent on what:
performance parts:$1450
suspension parts:$900
titt$ to a$$ bling bling:under $2500
owning a cavalier or sunfire:priceless
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blunts,hoes,and cars only thing left is my bed.
2005 Cavalier LS
Name:Brandon G.
Age 17
Performance parts 500$?
Suspension: 0
Bling bling: 800$
The daily badgering i recieve when people realize what i drive: Priceless
04 cavy, 5spd
Name: Jay
Age: 22
Money spent already: $350 intake/exhaust
Money to spend: $1500 <br>
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Stick shifts and Safety Belts
Buckets seats have all got to go
When I'm driving in my car
It makes my baby seem so far
hey bryan, you been talkin with mike troyer? if so...lemme know, i got some ties with him....he's big on the ford site im on....always on their postin an is very helpfull, as is his wife anita troyer... <br>
Y2kcavyz24 - dave
Age : 25
spent money on.. many different cars and parts for them.. you cant go wrong with a superchips/hypertech programmer.. if they make it.. i will buy it.
I can see where they're coming from about the market for small cars but there's something to remember. A car guy is a car guy whether he has a Bugatti EB110 or a Citroen 2CV. That said, the list of cars with an Ecotec under the hood is growing. Cavalier, Sunfire, Cobalt, ION, Solstice, Sky, Opel Speedster, to name a few.... so if they were to support any engine by any manufacturer, Ecotec will be in a LOT of cars... and that's a lot of car guys.
Name : James
Age: 23
Suspension: 1000
Wheels: 1000
Other: 150
blunts&hoes wrote:
owning a cavalier or sunfire:priceless
^^^^ that is so true^^^^
05 cavy coupe, 5 spd
name: brandon
age:20
amount spent on what:
perf:$950 and counting
susp:$300 and counting
ext:$600-700 and counting
int & ice:$1200
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oh yeah and the kick @$$ thing about it is we sell where i work so ill get one hopefully at a descent price
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just ordered mine from troyer performance, ordered the supertuner 1714 i cant wait, it comes with free UPS overnight
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suspension..........$400
Bolt ons.........$2500
engine.........$0 so far. Soon to be around $850 and counting
Ice.........about $1800
Car paid off this July $10500 <br>
Oh yeah non-Ecotech here. sorry. <br>
