dammit! this thread is dying....keep the thread alive!!!
i had always hoped this thread to die off only when the problem was fixed....it's been very close to three years since i got my 2000 with this problem, and now i've had my 2002 for over a year and zero results. none. what a slap in the face. what's GM's problem....
somebody new sign this petition page and make me feel better about myself.....*sob*
http://www.domesticcompacts.0catch.com/problems_with_the_2000.htm
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Has anybody tried putting the Lucas tranny additive in their trans?
Thanks PF
Well I sort have an update.
Yesterday I went to dealer to complain that the washer did not work and noise is still there.
Service writer, manager, and mechanic all went for test drive to duplicate noise. They pulled up the bulletin for the Saturn Fluid and stated that this " is normal "
So I clamed B.S. and said that the 03 did not have this noise. They said different year and engine. But I said same tranny. They brought in 3 Sunfire all in red too.
None had that noise. So I said "if you don't want to see my face put the this updated tranny and everybody is happy."
They said not so fast, cuz it would have to be approved by a GM rep first. I said I want to raise hell on the MOFO for building a crappy tranny. They said that I will never see him.
So then they tell me that they can't give me a new tranny, untill I open up a case number with Pontiac/GM. Which I did. Had on the phone 1 full hour too. (1800 number in the owner's manual -customer service-)
Well all said now, I am waiting for the call from GM and what will GM and the dealer will do to have me satified. As of now the only fix is to get a new "updated" tranny. Which I hope they will do.
I'm thinking of putting this car under the lemon law and get a Neon SRT-4 with the tremec (i think) tranny, but I will give them another chance.
But I will keep my fingers crossed and I will let you guys know what is up with this.
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Mr Goodwrench....not to rain on your parade but I've had a case # 6004181 opened with their TAC (Technical Assistance Center) since last November and haven't heard from them since, I think it's a way of pacifying anyone that the dealer can't handle. Anyway I'd be very interested in hearing if anything comes from it as I'm sure all the rest are as well....good luck!
I had a case number with TAC as well. They closed it after all their "fixes" did not work.
I also tried to lemon law my car. The New York State Attorney General said I had no case. You have to be without the use of your car for at least 30 consecutive days or 4 trips to the dealer for the same problem within the first 18,000 miles. I had more miles.
Well the update has come
I got off the phone with GM TAC and they told me that they spoke with the dealer and said they did all they can as far as fixing, which is true. But the the dealer will contact with GM area repair manager sent from Michigan to look into this.
TAC told me, that dealer does not authorize a new transmission only GM rep will do this. (To save the dealers azz, I guess)
So now The dealer will call him over to check out this problem, I don't know when though, TAC is on the delears azz on this to get the call through and keep me satified. TAC will contact me next week to give me an update.
As of now I am geting some attention on this, but now through GM Reps. Which is good, it can be a stepping stone for you guys.
So wish me luck on this, it may help us out in the future.
I 'll keep ya updated
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Mr. Goodwrench....after your spark of optimism the other day I contacted GM Canada customer care about my case #, the rep told me she couldn't check with TAC and that I had to go through the dealer (again) I contacted the service manager and asked for an update on my case #, the shop foreman just called me back after talking with TAC, he confirmed the wave washer info and got pn's but he says at this time he can't order them (they don't exist yet), you have to remember that I'm in Canada and apparently they use their own TAC and he told me that not all fixes released in the US become available in Canada (some legal issue). He then cautioned me about the washer fix as it could actually introduce new problems and TAC told him the success rate was below 30%, he couldn't comment on the transmission replacement. I asked if he has had any problems on the 2003 and he said no but he also said I'm the only one that has complained loudly for the 2000-2002's. He did say that he has heard it on other customer cars but no one else has actually brought their car in for the noise. So I hope you continue the crusade but personally I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that I will have to live with the noise until the car dies or I sell it! Good Luck and keep us informed, thanks
Bob Hill: Hey wish me all the luck. As for washer fix, I can say it ain't worth it at all. Not only it did not work, but now I have problems shifting into first. The dealer has screwed up my tranny. At least in my area, I was the first to put in the washer, I was like the guinee pig. Turns out it did not work at all. The new one don't have the noise cuz they do it right at the factory, and by now they Getrag factory are experts at this fix. So, I would say try for a new tranny, not the washer fix.
But I will continue till they officialy deny me the tranny. But that Neon SRT-4 is looking real good now.
Lets see what happens
Tim: I got to reread the Lemon book again, hmm you got me thinkingnow. Funny thing is that the dealer never provided me with a book, like they should by law. Now i got to find one at work.
Steave-o: I was thinking on a tranny additive also. I was thinking on the B&M tranny oil, cuz they claim it is suitable for dragracing (hi temp). And as far as I know the Factory's ATF is more for normal driving and the Saturn Fluid is more for high temp operation, hence the lower noise. Either way I will do a oil change at work with it maybe a new tranny fluid cahnge. But I will wait till next week for that one, it will be a waste of cash if GM gives the o.k to change the tranny.
please continue on this subject. <br>
Geo/G.T.
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bob,
he told you no one has ever complained?? man, i'm in the toronto area and i guarantee i've been complaining. i complained for my 2000 before anyone seemed aware of the problem, and i've been complaining for my 02. i've gotten nowhere.
on a lighter note, they did that clutch actuator fix to my car. i wasn't really noticing the rattle but wanted it done. that clutch performs way better now.
but on the same visit....they washed my car. i specifically told them not to. now the 14 months i've spent babying that paint has gone to waste since they ran it through rollers. service manager claims it would cause no harm to paint. i won't get into it right now cuz it'll go on forever...but i'll update those who care on the end result.
i've never been satisfied by any trip i've made to a gm service department.
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Still no new bulletin on this crap! <br>
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Hello Mr. Goodwrench, Bob Hill (and others).
I am still involved with this website and it's memebers. I am trying to be as supportive as I can with the customer's issues concerning the Getrag F23.
As I am well aware of the previous 400+ posts and its history I am not ignoring the fact that this gear rallte noise is still your vehicles, and in many others, but as I stated before unfortunately there is no fix for the type of noise you are experiencing.
The Saturn fluid change was a fix for the 1-2 noise, but since it did not cure the noise 100%, the washer fix was implemented. Neither one of these fixes were intended to fix the gear rattle noise.
New bearings, and clutches will not cure the noise either.
With the 2003 Cavalier and Sunfires one will not hear the noise because the 2003 J car has the new L850 ECOTEC engine. Aside from the bolt pettern the transmisison in the 2003 is exaclty the same as the 2000-2002. This engine and trans combo is also found in the GrandAM, Alero, Saturn VUE, and Saturn ION which I drive and am very happy with.
The purpose of this letter is not to discourge you with your vehilce or with GM, but to perhaps save you stress that the dealerships may cause.
I know that making appoinments, taking timeout of your day, and leaving your car at the dealership is not a fun task especially when it is to fix something, and in turn not having it fixed.
As for your difficulty with shifting into 1st gear it could be a shift cable adjustment. Sometimes when the cables are removed they need to be readjusted. If you are going back to the dealership, have them look at your shift cables and suggest they adjust them as need be.
I hope you interperate this letter in a positive manner and continue your support with GM.
Thank you.
Russell Dezfouli
Getrag Corp.
I haven't checked this thread for a few months and am not surprised to see that still GM has done nothing to resolve this problem.
I have an 01" Z24 with 42,000 miles on it and it's been making the noise since about 5,000 miles. Has not gotten any worse and has not affected the performance of the transmission.
What is has done is show me that I will not buy another GM product ever as they DO NOT stand behind their vehicles or their owners. Been buying GM products for 30 years, that's over with. It's over to Ford and Chrysler for me now. They have both been very responsive with problems I have had with their products over the years.
GM has basivcally cursed us with an investment that has almost no value as the resale is impossible with the noise that EVREY test drive will produce, squashing that sale opportunity, and trade-in is out of the question as the trade-in market is a joke since the rebates and low interest financing is here forever now.
So, thanks to GM we've got an investment with no useful value from a resale or trade-in angle.
I for one am writing a letter to the Chairman of the Board of GM to let him/her know that my days of buying GM products has come to an end due to this obvious neglect of their customers. Sending it personal and confidential, retrun receipt requested so that at least I know his/her administrative assistant will open it.
Probably will yield no response, but I guess we can all figure that one out from how they have neglected this obvious product defect. Too bad it isn't safety realted as then they would have to recall it and repair it.
well Getrag, i appreciate the message. it frustrates me, but i appreciate you sharing.
i don't know what else to say that hasn't been said before. are you in the States? for some reason i thought you were in germany....
thanks for the update though.
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Mr. Dezfouli good to hear from you again.
I got to do both the the fluid change and the washer fix and the noise is still there.
But I am confused now. Didn't you say before that they implemented the washer in mid cycle 2002 model year. So that in respect, it is something new in the tranny. We had some guys here before with all three engines GM offered, and still has this noise.
I don't think that Ecotec itself has to do with the tranny being quieter. But I could be wrong.
The dealer brought in some 2003 Sunfire to test out, all were quiet as it should be. The dealer and me are all scratching our heads to find a fix, I suggested a new tranny with all the updates done at the factory in Italy. The dealer can not authorize this, untill a GM rep looks into this. So as far I know I am stuck now, untill I hear from GM.
Russel I got three question for you.
1. The mechanic told me that GM is working on another bulletin to fix this noise, is this true or what have you heard from GM or Getrag corp on a future fix?
2. What is the difference between Saturn Fluid and factory's Dexron 3? What is so special about this fluid? I think the Saturn fluid is synthetic and formulated for manual tranny. Please fill me in why it is so special.
3. What would you suggest to do if you had this noise?
Thanks so much in keeping in contact with us, to bad you don't have some good news on the subject. Let us know on any info you may get on this, we are all ears on this. <br>
Geo/G.T.
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Russell.....thank you. I am impressed.
My local dealer adds BG MulitGear Concentrate and no more noise really.
I went and bought some more. Nice shifts now too. I bet the Lucas stuff works well also. However, this BG stuff is what my DEALERSHIP uses. They swear by it. <br> <br><img src="http://members.aol.com/JMMorford82/autoxEZ1x.gif">
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I got a secret which I will unleash a week from now
Guys I tried something last night when I went to change my oil and I did somethings to get rid the noise. Well... I will not say nothing untill I am 100% sure. Don't want to make the same mistake twice. So let me do some testing and development (something GM should have done) and I will let ya know how it cameout. As of now it looks good.
I'll keep you guys posted on the final evaluation. This maybe ground breaking for the people with the noise and may put an end to this crap.
So guys check frequently here for the update
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Geo/G.T.
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Yes, keep us updated.. My noise seems have gotten louder lately..
The "techs" just found my shifter lines were rubbing against my brake lines (now that doesn't seem safe, does it?) so they fixed that for me.. The noise seems to be a bit quieter now, but it's still there.. <br>
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I just got my car back from the dealer and they told me there was no fix for it, it's a normal noise. That's just crap, I'm eagerly awaiting GM to step up and sort this out. I"m sick of my car sounding like a piece of trash everytime I'm in a parking lot or in traffic.
Waiting on Mr.Goodwrench possible fix?!?!?!?? <br> Jamie...
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^^ just to make sure this thing stay's at the top!!! ^^ <br> Jamie...
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Good to see we are still interested. I just want to make sure that I am going to be giving out the right and proven info first.
I promise I will give the info out ASAP.
Here is a hint: It is a easy fix too. So no major work is to be done.
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Geo/G.T.
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w00t damn your suspense
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