Quick question for anybody that might know. My dad has an 01 S-10 and he was talking about putting E85 gas in his car, which got me wondering if anybody on here knows if we could use it in our cars, or if anybody is using it right now what your thoughts about it are.
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doesn't work in either your car or your dads truck.
not true, It is compatible with both of your cars. E85 work withs most newer cars and both of those are one of them.
http://www.gm.com/company/onlygm/
Check out the site. it shows the 00 - 05 s10 on there, and many other gm cars.
No, not cars....all they list are trucks. If you have a pre-2006, look on the inside of the fuel door and it will tell you. You can also tell by the VIN, but i'm not sure the specifics.
There's a gas station in town that has soy biodeisel and E5 gas and i've ran E5 a few times.
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No, not cars....all they list are trucks
Monte carlo and Impalas are both on the list. that is not a complete list tho. The station I go to has 2 pumps of E85, 2 of E10 and the rest your every day dino gas. They have a huge list of compatable cars for the types of gas. Most newer cars no matter which brand are compatable.
All Mobil & Exxon stations are switching to pure E10 gas. This starts next month, so in time they will only serve E10 and deisel gas. E10 is fine with all cars.
For you who dont know. E is Ethanol and the number is the % of ethanol in the gas.
On s-10's, It will only work in a 2wd with 8th digit vin #5. That's a 2200 bifuel motor.
Shane OBizzle(ShOBiz) wrote:There's a gas station in town that has soy biodeisel and E5 gas and i've ran E5 a few times.
Many gas stations these days pump E5 or E10 and they don't tell you. I'm willing to bet a lot of people on this site use it and they don't even know. E85 will not work in our cars, though!
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most sunoco stations use E10 fuel, at least most of em do around pittsburgh, I use em all the time, i swear i get better mileage with it, not to mention its usually 5-10 cents cheaper per gallon
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Shifted wrote:It does NOT work for any J-body. E85 requires an extra sensor to determine gas type (for programming changes in the ECU). I believe it also eats through the rubberized fuel lines.
can that new programmer your working on change that
halfJ99 (Nik) wrote:Shifted wrote:It does NOT work for any J-body. E85 requires an extra sensor to determine gas type (for programming changes in the ECU). I believe it also eats through the rubberized fuel lines.
can that new programmer your working on change that
you know I was thinking the same thing. If I changed all my lines and then and tuned my fuel accordingly with the Megasquirt im wondering if I could use it. I have 42lbs'ers and could easily pull off an 8 to one. how is it with boost? and whats the egt's like?
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I know one of my sunocos in my area has a little itty bitty sticker stating it had e10 in it. But it didn't seem to do me any favors in my blazer. seemed to run worse with it. : / Wish they would have released this stuff about 10 years ago. Cause i'm willing to bet they had the technology back then. But will be good when they get everything runnign better.
I work for the Oil Company's and I would not run E85 in my cars unless they are 2006 or newer. On the older cars if you have ANY rubber fuel lines it will eat the insides out and clog up your filter/injectors..etc. You have to have full metal lines, or stainless braided..etc.
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E85 is an ethynol based gasoline. Your car has to be set up to use a flex-fuel.
Like shifted said, you will need different injectors, also the fuel pum is different on flex-fuel vehicles.
In the newer GM vehicles that are ethynol compatible the gas filler cap is yellow.
mikec2003 wrote:most sunoco stations use E10 fuel, at least most of em do around pittsburgh, I use em all the time, i swear i get better mileage with it, not to mention its usually 5-10 cents cheaper per gallon
E85 gets worse gas mileage than regular fuel. Check the GM site to see if your vehicle is compatible, if it isn't then don't mess around with it.
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so will it work on a 2000 chevy cavalier? with a 2.2?
94 Red Bird wrote:mikec2003 wrote:most sunoco stations use E10 fuel, at least most of em do around pittsburgh, I use em all the time, i swear i get better mileage with it, not to mention its usually 5-10 cents cheaper per gallon
E85 gets worse gas mileage than regular fuel. Check the GM site to see if your vehicle is compatible, if it isn't then don't mess around with it.
i didn't say E85, i know thats bad for a gas car, i said E10, 90%gasoline 10% ethanol, that is fine for any gasoline car
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http://www.eere.energy.gov/cleancities/blends/ethanol.html
see, even the DOE says its ok to use E10 in any car, but they say it slightly reduces MPG, but i swear i got a one or two MPG increase...mabey it was in my head
but E85 needs a special type of car
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http://www.agriculture.state.ia.us/e85q&a.html
this actually states the E85's octane rating is actually 100-105... so I would ASSUME (i could be totally wrong though) that with proper tuning, it could be AT LEAST as safe as 93 octane in a boosted car... but if 8:1 is stoich for E85, than a safe boosted a/f may be as low as 6:1..... and i don't know of any wideband O2's or hell, any O2 sensor that reads that low... so I don't know what you'd use for diagnostic purposes..
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Another thing to note for those that have boosted cars is that ethanol has a much higher heat latency than gas. When it's vaporized (IE injected) it requires almost 2 times more heat than gasoline to turn into a vapor. So you get a pretty significant drop in air temperature where it is injected. I have a friend that has been around some serious alcohol applications(mostly Methanol i think) but where he has seen intakes that are actuually cold to the touch after running down the track(1/4 mile drag strip stuff of course). Methanol has a slightly higher affect than ethanol but stil double that of gas. There is a EPA test where they used a VW turbo diesel motor and converted to spark ignition. 19:1 compression with the turbo and it ran awesome, ourperformed (more power), than it's diesel and gas coutnerparts. It's one of the links on the Wikipedia E-85 page. as far as fuel lines go anything after early 90's, i think, pretty much exclusively uses Viton(ok for ethanol) o rings, and just about everything has steel lines. Fuel volume delivered is going to be the major hurdle. 50% more fuel by volume at a minimum. Bigger injectors, fuel pump and computer tuning are going to be a must.
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I wish GM would make the Solstice GXP and the Sky Redline E85 compatible that would be sooooo Sweet!!! And I think it is very practical.
