My Z34 Lumina is on it's last leg,so I would like to buy a NEW car for once.
Of course I want the best deal I can get for my region (North west) Sate: Indiana.
I'm looking at plain jane 2005 Cavaliers either base or 1SV w/air & 5spd man. trans.
You would've thought I'd asked for the space shuttle or something !
Here's the deal my local dealer found a me a 2005 Silver 1SV w/U79 stereo speaker option?
Per the dealer as of today 2-7-05 :
MSRP $10,890 - GM-S dicount = $10,087.38 - rebates (military 500.00 & GM 1000.00)
= $8587.38 + 6% sales tax = $9,192.62 O.T.D.
I'm not one to complain (ok, yes I am),but this doesn't sound like a fire sell to me for a stripper model that's long in the tooth in engineering terms WITH a GM employee discount on top of that !
Is this actually a hell of a price break and I sure kiss my dealers feet for even letting me buy it from him ?
You tell me cause I'm here to listen and learn .
That's why I'm here ! What's the REAL deal on these cars. Approximately 9% off Total MSRP for an employee dicount (my father inlaws). I remember looking at a Firebird a few years ago and with his same dicount (options 1 & 2) it was something like 15% off base MSRP and like 18% off options OR... 5 % off your best deal you could make with the dealer .
Come on GM if you only give 9% off MSRP for a decade old design in honor of a guy who put in 25 years in your plant then all I can say is YOU SUCK !
The dicount on this model should be at GM COST to employees ! This would get them off the dealers lots and give a little back (not enough) to the people who put GM where they are.(Rant Off)
Whats the deal ?"
I'm going to have my father inlaw get the paperwork,but according to my dealer the GM Employee discounts "Don't work like that anymore".
According to him ALL dealer pricing is the same when the GM-S discount is utilized and I can't get a better price at any other dealer,because they are selling the vehicle for less than they pay GM for it ! Is this dude blowing smoke up my A#@ ?
Well I dunno. But heres what i got approx
sticker : 18,700 + 1800 (ext. warranty) - haggling - rebate - gm family rebate - trade in (not alot for that) = 13000. Dont know the details, my dad did the paper work. I just make the payments.
On a sunfire.
So ~10K for a stripper sounds like alot.
Oh and Options 1SB
auto tranny
CD 6 speaker w/ XM
Power moonroof
(Sun and Sound package)
"Sport Package" upgraded suspension/ interior dual exhaust, etc
Chrome 16" Wheels
What didnt i get?
power anything, cruise, abs
dude GM doesn't make money off cavaliers, car companies have to have an overall MPG average for every single car they produce, then 900 billion cavaliers that are made are to offset the all the suburbans, and LS1's and things like that, the ones that make money, and it gets people into the GM family. The cavalier is not a profit car. I work for VW, my discount is I pay $100 over what my dealership buys cars for, on the base modle low end cars such as the Golf, the $100 over cost only ends up saving me like $200-$300 from the sticker price. They can't offer a huge discount on somehtign that makes them next to nothing to begin with. 05 brand new 5-speed cavi with an eco for just over $9,000 is not somethign to complain about
my sticker price on my 04 cavi brand new was about $19,000 I ended up paying $15,200, on the high modles they offer alot bigger savings, the base model "value package" does not have much savings
Yea. You might as well guy a few options. But according to Csaba Csere of car and driver the vette is overprice but 15g's, but I never did like him anyways....
And I've seen new Cav's adverstised for 7 grand.
^^ usually those are previous modle years that haven't sold. There are things called somehting like dealer dollars or manuafacture bucks some liek that, basically its Money that GM owes the dealership, demo cars and things liek that, or brand new past modle year cars that haven't sold they can't sell for as much money anymore, the dealer dollars are used in situations liek that, so the dealership can sell it for cheaper and use that money to make up what money they would have lost. Als oin advertisments they always show the higest modle of a car, chances are the $7,000 car is a brown value package thats still a new unsold 04
brand new 03 LS, manual, power options, power sunroof, with the spoiler (extra $900... I know... I know... I was stupid) $14k. Purchased at the end of March in 2003 with the GM discount, loyalty bonus, etc.
wait a minute...they still make Cavaliers?
I thought it got replaced by the cobalt?!
^^^ 05 Cavys are still in prod.
See if you can find a dealership who has a demo car. Typically they knock a bit off if a sales manager or someone has driven one for a thousand miles or so. It is still sold as a new vehicle (never licensed) so all the incentives still apply. So you end up paying a little less than a car with 0 miles. But, depending on the savings, it may be worth it to take a car with 1-2K miles of demo use. Other than that, I'd say it's a good deal on a new 05. When I was selling at a dealership back when the 01s and 02s were out, they were actually around the same, if I remember right. So to think of the upgrades the newer models have (ECO for one), hell, I'd pay sticker lol. Then again, I would love to have a NEW car, vs a 96.
Brakes? I don't need no stinking brakes....I have air bags
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Darkstars wrote:^^ usually those are previous modle years that haven't sold. There are things called somehting like dealer dollars or manuafacture bucks some liek that, basically its Money that GM owes the dealership, demo cars and things liek that, or brand new past modle year cars that haven't sold they can't sell for as much money anymore, the dealer dollars are used in situations liek that, so the dealership can sell it for cheaper and use that money to make up what money they would have lost. Als oin advertisments they always show the higest modle of a car, chances are the $7,000 car is a brown value package thats still a new unsold 04
Yea but arent 04s the same as 05s? So i mean a new car is a new car is a new car. Im Just saying if its got a few hundred miles on it as opposed to one thats got 70 or 80. I dunno. Just seems silly to me. Oh well
I thought 05 cavaliers were just late model 04's. If a dealer sells it as an '05 he/she can jack up the price. Probably a "Z22" deal.
There are no cavaliers in production, and yes new 04 are cheaper then new 05's right now, think about it, I bought my 04 brand new almost a year ago, woudl you want to buy a brand new car thats been sitting outside for a year or a brand new 05 which they've had maybe a month or to, the newer the car the higher the value. typicallt the production date in the door jam of the car desigantes what modle year the car is, I think its month 7 and up are considered the fallowing years modle year, a cavlilier made in 8/04 is identified as an 05
1800 (ext. warranty)......dude hit me up on aim...that sounda to be alot for an esp....
Not unintentionally accelerating since 2009!!!!
i got my 04 ls for about 13,660, sticker was for about 17,000 so what ever, ok normal the bone stock strip cavys ran for about 10,700, 9,700 for gm guys, that is a good deal.
and the cobolt is only out in numbers as 4-doors. u can find a few 2-doors here and there. but if you hate the wait, buy a saturn ion. same thing under the skin. the cobolts are a bit disapointing, the etc shut down the engine, when u need the tires to spin u out of deep snow, with know way to turn it off. i work at a car lot in wisconsin so i know.
look at it this way u, if it has the RDS radio, it is great. a lot of bass with no sub. and the fewer the extras the less u have to rip out later. i love my. they are quick , cheap, and a semi sleeper. if u r worried about getting ripped off buy a used LS the have no resale value. my ex got a 03 4 door with less then 9k miles on it for under 9 all it was missing was a sun roof, sport package, and a stick.
Anywhere from $10,000-$16,000 depending on options and model & Deals.
"Best Pricing yet on brand new Cavys"
Uh in all honesty I think u should get more of a break than theat, we bought my car in the middle of November (14th I believe) and get it for $8600 O.T.D. and thats not with a GM discount or anything, just a 1,000 discount for financing through G.M.A.C. which my ma paid off and I make payments 2 her instead, NO INTEREST ROX
if it ain't broke...MAKE IT GO FASTER
As far as "giving back to employees", that's what benefits are for. Raises, health insurance, vacation, retirement, etc. are all company's ways of "giving back". On top of that, employee discounts are usually small. I only get $400 over cost on a new Toyota. Dealers tend to only make a few hundred dollars on the sale of a new car. As for Scions, there's no employee discount. I think you're getting a decent deal. I paid $10,999 for my 1SA Sunfire in August.
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Thanks for the replies !
Carguy05 your response is what I mean about getting a better price.
I just don't believe that $9192 is the best price for this car. I've been working every day since my post so I haven't had the time to visit other dealers.
Hope to go tomarrow Sat. 2-12-05 to a couple more in my area. Closeout pricing on out going models should be just that ,closeout pricing. By the pricing structure and the way the my dealer dealt with me on this model,you'd think they were still making these and were STILL going to make them. The dealer is kicking in absolutely nothing on this car and I'm pretty sure will get dealer hold back etc,etc. I'd be willing to say GM has recovered the development cost on the Cavaliers/Sunfires years ago,so I don't feel very sorry for them and that they DO make a profit on them. Maybe not as much as the higher priced vehicles,but a profit none the less.
As far as not making enough profit on small cars like the Cavs,the same dealer priced me a 20,885 msrp Silverrado (only options were air and auto trans and WAY over priced ! ),with the EXACT same deal ! $3,500 rebate,$500.00 miltary and GM-s dicount and my price was still $15,500 plus O.T.D.
Same thing "That's the best price you can get,we won't sell you one for any less than that " . I'd bet $100.00 that if I had them quote $ 35,000 vehicle my "Deal" would be exactly the same,which is no "Deal" at all as far as I'm concerned.
That price sux. Here in canada my friend got a Base Model Cav for $8988 Brand new plus Pdi, Freight and Taxes. And yes thats CDN $ and the car was a 2004. Still brand new though.
96 2.2 5speed
***SOLD***
Been OwNEd by a 2.2 lately?
I paid $7300 for my new 2003 base Cavalier... sticker was $14,xxx. I would keep looking, they're not giving you much of a deal..
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Thanks ! I see my user name changed to coolatula ( from walden) which is what it should've been to start with.
Anyway when I got the info on the GM family dicount from my father inlaw a few years ago when I was looking at Firebirds he told me that the dicount is just a STARTING point for pricing.
If fact he has found & BOUGHT new cars (GM of course) cheaper WITHOUT the dicount opt. 1 ! He has bought cars cheaper than if he got the opt. 1 AND the opt 2 COMBINED !
There must have been a reason GM put the "Make your best deal with the dealer and then take "X" % off that.
I'd say it was because Stealerships were being hard nosed about selling cars off the lots to GM employees (when they knew they could make more $ form the general public on the same cars ) and the employees said screw it I'll buy somthing else.
Try to figure that one out "Best Deal" huh,that is why I don't believe my current dealers sales pitch. I'm going to get the GM info again from my father inlaw and check it out. If what the dealer says is true about me not being able to take "X" % off the best deal then I will most likely just look that much harder at buying another brand on vehicle.
my advice.....
don't buy a brand new car!!! especially a cavalier. they depreciate so fast its not even funny. im completely upside down with my 02.
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Tony Walden,
They are holding out on you. I bought that same car for $7995 back in the end of november 2004. You should get it for $8000 even. Three dealerships in my area had that price. In the same region as you. Send me a message if you want more details. Put 2005 Cavy in the subject or something so I dont delete it.
Thanks for the help(your replies really do help).
I'll e-mail you terceltundra concerning you deal. You must have gotten a $5000 rebate or something. As of yesterday 2-16-05 the rebates are $1000 off 1SV,$4000 off msrp on base mod. & 500.00 military rebate.
That's just it,if a dealer would just play ball I'd be purchasing by now,but they won't.
I went to the import dealers and I can't get even an Accent for less than ten grand,so they can keep them !
I did go to a Pontiac dealer (branch) who said his main store could sell me a Sunfire for thje same price as a Cav.,but when I went over to the main store yesterday the MSRP on a 1SV Sunfire was $436.00 MORE and the Base Sunfire was around $ 700.00 more right off the bat compared to a Cav. Silly really.
They got this options and model crap down to a science.
If you want one or two options such as cruise and tilt whl. they force you to buy (at a good mark up I might add) one package of grap you don't want to get one or two things you do. Then the option you wanted in the first place of course isn't included,so you spend more money to get that one. I'm I making sense ? I sure hope not,cause they don't ! Would it hurt them to have just cruise and tilt whl. with out having to buy all the rest of it ?
I did get good news that I'm approved for a loan at least up to $13.500 (price of Sunfire w/options) from my credit union,but I was very dissapointed that my rate was 5.75 %/60 mo. & 6.00 %/72 mo.. I pay 7% for my 1994 car right now,so I'm going to look around at other financing.
