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Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Monday, May 02, 2005 10:49 AM
I read this and said, it sounds to familiar.
But I know you guys will enjoy. So I brought it.
Funny but good read indeed.
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From Automobile Magazine
By Joe Lorio

GM has been a distressing also-ran in the small-car race for as long as there's been a small-car race. Just recently, however, the company brought out the new Chevrolet Cobalt, which replaces the ancient and long ago outclassed Cavalier. Unlike the Cavalier, which also was sold as the Pontiac Sunfire, the Cobalt has no corporate twin, although it was developed from the same platform as the uninspiring Saturn Ion.

To gauge the competitiveness of GM's latest small-car effort, we put it up against the Mazda 3. Winner of Automobile Magazine's All-Star for best small car, the Mazda 3 is mechanically related to the well-regarded European Ford Focus. Like the Focus, the 3 has a well-sorted chassis and exhibits a surprising, fun-to-drive character.

The Mazda 3 is offered as a four-door hatchback or a four-door sedan; we had the latter for this test. Like previous examples we've driven, this Mazda 3 was the up-level s model, powered by a 160-hp, 2.3-liter four (the base Mazda 3i has a 150-hp, 2.0-liter). This was, however, the first one we've driven with an automatic transmission and the standard sixteen-inch wheels. Starting at $17,160 (with destination), our test car climbed to $19,750 thanks to the automatic transmission ($900); antilock brakes, side air bags, and side curtain air bags (what should be called the Life is Worth Living Package $800) and a power moonroof and six-disc CD changer combo ($890).

Our Chevy Cobalt was the top-of-the-line version of the sedan: the LT. All Cobalt sedans have the same 2.2-liter, 145-hp Ecotec four. (A supercharged, 205-hp, 2.0-liter is reserved for the Cobalt SS coupe.) Due to its luxury model ambitions, the LT only comes with an automatic; lesser Cobalt four-doors offer a five-speed stick. The Cobalt LT easily surpasses the Mazda 3s in the standard equipment department: The LT includes antilock brakes (albeit on a disc/drum set-up versus the Mazda's all-disc), traction control, and heated leather seats. The base price is $18,760. Our additions of an MP3 and XM satellite radio ($150, and $325, respectively) to the standard AM/FM/CD stereo; an OnStar ($695); a rear spoiler (a dubious $275 expenditure); and side curtain air bags (well worth $395, we'd say) brought the total to $20,600.

Mazda's self-image is all about sportiness, and that's evident when you open the door of the 3s. The racy-looking gauges light up red; the black upholstery--decent for cloth these days--weaves in some bright blue accents; and the seats are firm and supportive. The three-spoke leather wrapped steering wheel could have come straight from an RX-8 and it adjusts for both reach and rake. Not everything works so well, however. The single piece of carbon-look trim above the glove box looks lonely and a strip of red lights on the radio attempt to amuse the simpleminded by lighting up in sequence whenever you adjust the volume. This frivolity did not detract from the comfortable driving position, although more armrest padding would have been welcome. With the front seat adjusted for a driver six feet tall, the back is pretty tight, but once you wedge yourself into place it's acceptably comfortable.

While the Mazda tries to win the youth vote, the Cobalt LT cabin seems designed for those who'd really rather have a Buick. While our car's two-tone beige leather and low cowl made it seem bright and airy compared with the black cave of the Mazda 3, the greater contrast is in the design itself. The LT's plentiful plasti-wood and sober chrome-ringed gauges make it about as hip as Lawrence Welk. We didn't insult the Cobalt by calling it better than a Cavalier (what wouldn't be?), and it in turn didn't insult us with its fit, finish, or quality of materials, all of which are up to contemporary standards. Like the Mazda, the Chevy's driver seat has height and lumbar adjustments, and the steering wheel--also leather-wrapped, also with audio controls--tilts but doesn't telescope. Also like the Mazda, the Cobalt's stalks and switches move nicely, its controls are clear, and its HVAC is blessedly straightforward (one area where less-expensive cars regularly outshine their fancier brethren).

However, despite being an all-new model, the Cobalt still has a bit of a depressing, economy-car air about it, primarily because of the way you sit in the car. Just as in every Grand Am you've ever rented, you sit low in the Cobalt, and the seat cushion seems to fall away from you; should you raise it, you find yourself uncomfortably close to the windshield header. Similarly, though back seat at first appears to offer reasonably generous space--more than the Mazda, the seat cushion is so low and the under-thigh support so scant that it's far less comfortable than the Mazda's tighter perch. Those more likely to stash kids than adults in back, however, should note that the Cobalt has three, rather than two, sets of LATCH child-seat mounting anchors, unusual in a small car.

Once underway, both the Mazda's self-image of sportiness and the Chevy's self-image of luxury take a hit. Mazda adds a measure of driver involvement by giving its automatic gearbox a gated shifter and manu-matic capability. Interestingly, the dashboard LED displays the numerical gear even when cruising in Drive. None of this, however, makes the automatic-equipped 3 any faster; the fact that the gearbox has only four forward speeds only lengthens the time spent waiting for the revs to climb the tach. While not truly slow, it certainly feels less spry than the manual version.

In fact, the Mazda feels no quicker than the Chevy. The Cobalt's automatic also is only a four-speed. (Even at this price point, five-speeds are becoming common, and VW offers a six-speed automatic in the New Beetle.)
The bummer with the Chevy's powertrain isn't its power output, it's the sound quality. The Ecotec four has a hollow, metallic whine that acts like a disapproving scowl from your mother-in-law and causes an involuntary lifting reflex of the throttle foot. When the revs are down and you're just cruising, the Cobalt is very quiet, but the 3 was the car in which we were more likely to drift over our self-imposed--and considerably higher than posted--speed limit. Again, because of its luxury-ride intentions, the Cobalt LT has different suspension tuning and tires than the LS or S sedan. The chassis does a very good job taking the edge off potholes, but an extended stretch of bad pavement can bring on nervous body motions. And, of course, the "touring" tires show little interest in sharp turn-in. That's just as well, because the electro-hydraulic power steering is generally inert, although certainly improved from its disastrous initial tuning in the Cobalt's cousin, the Saturn Ion.

Remembering a fairly stiff ride in previous Mazda 3s, we were very surprised by our test car's nonplussed absorption of scary-looking potholes. Unlike Chevrolet, Mazda uses a single suspension setup for all versions of the 3, the only differences being lower-profile tires and seventeen-inch wheels with the Sport Package in place of sixteen-inch wheels and less aggressive rubber in our 3 sedan. Dropping down from the seventeen to the sixteen-inch wheels and tires does result in greater understeer, but the ride is far less brittle than the more hardcore setup. Like GM, Mazda uses electro-hydraulic power steering (which is spreading like a fungus throughout the auto industry), but the system in the 3 feels a bit more natural than that in the Cobalt.

Overall, the Cobalt is an effort from GM, but doesn't dislodge the Mazda 3 from its top spot in our pantheon of small cars. The Cobalt LT has an impressive standard equipment list and its interior will appeal to those not looking for a boy racer. We wish its seating positions were more comfortable and the Ecotec four were more refined. After switching from a five-speed manual to a four-sped automatic, our view of the Mazda 3 was somewhat diminished. We also prefer the practical and more dramatic-looking hatchback 3 to the sedan we drove this time. But for those who live where the pavement regularly crumbles, a lesser wheel and tire package might be preferable. Hatchback or sedan, the 3 is still a small car with a fun-to-drive character and real personality and that's why it remains our pick in this segment




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Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Monday, May 02, 2005 10:59 AM
hmm
i wouldnt own either one per say
im not a sedan person

but a good read none the less



Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Monday, May 02, 2005 11:19 AM
i like the m3 sedans, they look like a good base car to mod.


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Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Monday, May 02, 2005 12:46 PM
I'm looking at the M3. I test drove the Cobalt (2 door) and There some good things and some bad things. I had the base model so it may vary.

You can always hear the engine and exhaust in the cobalt, I didn't find that nice since it's a new car. The seat are just plain ugly. The shape is not too bad but the material is plain s**t. The dash look empty. You don't have the best rear view. The light on the cluster will blind you at night.

I'm 6'3" and I had alot of leg room in front. I had alot of space for my head too. I wasn't stuck on the roof. The stereo is not too bad for a base model. Seat adjustment are nice. the car "seem" to pull hard because of the torque but it doesn't last when you get around 5k. Some nice trunk space but the trunk lid could be bigger. It look like a PITA to fit golf bags in the trunk because of the small opening. You don't feel any bumps.

I didn't try the Mazda 3 but I will soon. I was going for a cobalt but Gm pissed me off when they decide to sell only 4 SS for the whole province. Plus, IMO, the M3 looks way better even if it's a 4 door. I don't need the 2 back doors but the insurance are lower so I like it like that. Interior in the M3 look 100 time better than the cobalt.

I was a Gm fan before taking a look inside the cobalt. It's an overprice POS!



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Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Monday, May 02, 2005 2:08 PM
yea thats about waht i thought of it, stacks up decent with the best in the class.....i personally liked the cobalt when i drove it

the only difference i seen between that and the ion is the smootheness in the ride, cobalt seems to take the bumps better.....other than that i dont see why every single review person hates that car



Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Monday, May 02, 2005 11:46 PM
I get confused when people call it an M3. An M3 in my mind belongs to BMW.



Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Tuesday, May 03, 2005 6:36 AM
Well thats what happens when you pick the best model of the Mazda 3 and the almost worst Cobalt model, ( I mean common, no 5 speed or 2dr version? It was an LS though)



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Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Tuesday, May 03, 2005 7:06 AM
RoNuS20 wrote:I get confused when people call it an M3. An M3 in my mind belongs to BMW.



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Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Tuesday, May 03, 2005 7:55 AM
True... However, most magazines are not interested in making an equal comparison.



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Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:39 AM
Yhea but in this case it was an equal comparison. Both four doors, top of their line, and automatic.
And for the record it was not a LS but an LT.



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Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:21 AM
TwISteR (The Transporter One) wrote:Well thats what happens when you pick the best model of the Mazda 3 and the almost worst Cobalt model, ( I mean common, no 5 speed or 2dr version? It was an LS though)


it was the second best model of the Cobalt, the one right below SS
and the mazda 3 didnt even have the leather interior and had downgraded wheel and tire package
both were 4 door and auto
2 door doesnt automatically equal better either




Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:10 AM
dont think they consider the ss as a model. more like a speacial line, kind of like how u have the mustang gt, and the cobra. if u want to put the 3 up against the ss why not wait a year or two and put the ss up against the mazdaspeed 3 coming out. i think the 3 will come out on top in that test as well. i really like my 3, and yeah allot of people on mazda sites will bite your head off for calling it a m3


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Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Tuesday, May 03, 2005 5:17 PM
i like my base model cobalt a lot, and i dont think 11,500 out the door is overpriced....


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Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Tuesday, May 03, 2005 5:44 PM
I don't care what they say, my crappy Cav dusted every 3 I raced.
I'm stock, and they appeared to be as well.
Not saying my car is "refined", but hey.
When you get beat by what is told to you to be a "inferior" car, you gotta walk away like a coy dog.
Love that look better than the unrifinement of my car.
Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Tuesday, May 03, 2005 6:24 PM
wikkymaster wrote:i like my base model cobalt a lot, and i dont think 11,500 out the door is overpriced....


It certainly is not. It's an ok-looking, ok-sized, ok-performing car for that price. I think that's why GM didn't put everything they had in this car (as i think Goodwrench would agree )
GM's small cars have always attrated a conservative minded buyers, those who want the most for their hard earned $. This kind of buyer is not as much concerned with image as much as utility.
The cobalt (in any form) is not ground breaking in the segment. But i belive Gm was wise in this stategy. See... ground breaking cost money. New technology cost more money than old technology and cheap materials cost less than quality materials. GM could have made a ground breaking small car, but they didn't. Why? because that would come with an increased asking price for the car, or a loss of money for the company (if customers refuse to pay this increased price). GM does not want to lose (more) money.
They also know that given the choice between a japanese car (honda/toyota/mazda) and a chev, most people will pick the jap car (assuming they don't have to pay more for it). This is for the same reason as most people will take a nike sneaker of a puma, its the name brand. When they do have to pay more for the jap car this decision becomes more difficult and as this price gap increases so does the number of consumers who will take the chev. These are the people that GM has for customers.
And Remember MSRP means nothing and GM knows this as well, they overprice their cars to be close to imports but then offer incentives to get you in the door and feel like they are getting a "deal".




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Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Tuesday, May 03, 2005 6:39 PM
im wondering if they will compare again once the 170hp ss comes out



Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:01 AM
here, the base model for the for the cobalt cost around 16000. the Mazda 3 his the same price for the same base model. When you take a look inside the Mazda 3, you take a look at the brakes, ....., the cobalt look like a plastic toy.

I'm going to test drive a mazda 3 tonight so I'll see the difference between the cobalt and the mazda. One thing I can say, the interior look way better in the mazda IMO. So for the same price, why would I go with a car that look 10 time cheaper than another when the price tag is the same? Is it's better to spend your money on something that look like crap while you can get a car that look alot better (IMO) for the same price.

Yes there are some good things with teh cobalt but it's overprice IMO. The seeat in teh base model for the cobalt really look like a set of 20$ seat you could have pick up in a junk yard and put a set of seat cover on. The sound deadening is freakin poor for that price. I could hear the damn engine in town for god sake and I could hear the exhaust too from the inside. That's not good when you do a 300miles trip. It's not even nice in town. That damn electric Tb is making the car bog every time you shift. And don't tell me it's me because I know how to shift. Each time I was releaseing the clutch, the car was bogging. When you have to do about 20 turn to brign the window down, it in't that great. plus you have to put some power on the window handle to bring it down.

I wouldn't pay 16000$ for a car that cheap.



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Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:04 PM
Different strokes for different folks I say...

These are my two fave compacts, not sure how my article would have gone...

THough I have test driven both...lots of fun I tell you...

Just don't tell the dealership I said that...



Re: Mazda 3 vs Chevy Cobalt comparison
Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:23 PM
Zoom Zoom, my arse, more like "bling bling", as far as the 3.
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