how hard is the 350 swap into a 3rd gen F-body? i've wanted a built RWD V8 for a while. I was asking about a 3rd gen camaro a while back, and the price now is down to $150 to $200. i can get a 350 block and crank for $100, i've got heads, and i want to built the rest of it up. i mean BUILD it. if i do this, it's gonna be a beast. so how hard's the swap? i know you're still workin on yours, but last i heard you were still painting things. im sure it's progressed since then, but i have no idea. i'll be learning as i to, too. im use to working with FWD supercharged v6's. i'll probably have to go carb, too. i wont have the money for a good injection system... yet.
thanks
Andy
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didn't they put LT1's in 3rd gen f-bodies? It's probably a pretty easy swap, but we'll let bortsy or Lurch confirm me on that.
i dont know if they did or not. i know this one's got the 305. and there's no way that's staying if i buy it.
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
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where is he that is Borsty?
Alex Yingling wrote:didn't they put LT1's in 3rd gen f-bodies? It's probably a pretty easy swap, but we'll let bortsy or Lurch confirm me on that.
im pretty sure they did not.
The LT1 was used in the 4th Gen F-body from 1994-1997
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I have a third gen with a 305 also. I was talking with my g/f's stepdad who does demo derbys. He said it won't take much to put the 350 in but if you go to a 400 the mounts are different but he said it is still doable. I haven't taken my 305 out yet cuz i work all the time and have college too. But within a year i should have that engine pulled and i'm thinking about a 383 stroker.
Another real quick story, the guy down the street from me has a 8 second camaro with a blown and juiced 502 crate engine. Pretty sweet.
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LT1s were not put into 3rd gen F-bodies*
Note the *
You couldn't walk into a dealer and just order one. But the son of a rather large business in town, has a beautiful blue 1992 Camaro Z28, with an LT1. The LT1 of course had been out for several years in the greatly superior Vette (great cars), and apparently his car was one of the cars GM was playing around with in preparation for the 4th gen release.
3rd gens were available with 350 tpi's. mechanically the swap will be simple. electronically might be a diff story, as i am not an f-body guru, so i dont know how complicated the wiring differences are. but i am 100% sure they were available with 350s.
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lt1's werent in 3rd gens.
swap should be easy i didnt mine in like 2 months just cause i only had weekends to work on it and id usually run into a problem or need a new part and have to wait a few days, then a just ran outta money.
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extremefire wrote:LT1s were not put into 3rd gen F-bodies*
Note the *
You couldn't walk into a dealer and just order one. But the son of a rather large business in town, has a beautiful blue 1992 Camaro Z28, with an LT1. The LT1 of course had been out for several years in the greatly superior Vette (great cars), and apparently his car was one of the cars GM was playing around with in preparation for the 4th gen release.
I've seen an lt1 in a late 60's camaro. Just takes time and know how.
if the car fuel injected? non fuel injected (I saw that cause I can't spell carborateor) cars that had V8's from the factory is simple, its almost like legos
JinxedZ THE LOVED ONE wrote:Its not as cheap as you think... or make it sound...
haha, i know it's not cheap. but it's a project car. i wont be in any hurry. i've got my daily, and by the time i start this the daily will be something to shoot for speed wise for this.
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swap should be easy i didnt mine in like 2 months just cause i only had weekends to work on it and id usually run into a problem or need a new part and have to wait a few days, then a just ran outta money.
yeah, mine's gonna be weekends as well. plus i've got to build the engine, first. but im not gonna put forth the effort to build up the engine before i get the car. it'll be next year before it's drivable. probably late spring to summer. but hey, if it were easy and quick, where would the fun be?
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if the car fuel injected? non fuel injected (I saw that cause I can't spell carborateor) cars that had V8's from the factory is simple, its almost like legos
it's fuel injected. TBI. the TBI's are peices, though. i really want to go to a guy that builds engines up in kokomo and get him to build an injection system for me, but that will be when i get more money.
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
hey 231 cubes, while Borsty is very knowledgable about 3rd gen f-bodies, he's not the only one who knows about them ya kno
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Anyways, I know you want to go for a direct swap, but here's something you could try. It wont be a weekend warrior or a track king or anything, but since you said you would like to learn how to build an engine up, you could just build the TBI motor up. If you get a good set of heads, with a matching cam, a better intake manifold, a full 3" exhaust w/headers, you could run with LT1 f-bodies. Along with that you would need to learn PROM burning (VERY VERY USEFUL... I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU LEARN HOW TO DO THIS) to burn yourself a chip, and also upgrade the TBI unit to lets say..... 454 injectors.
It may sound like alot, but if you think about it, you could upgrade the entire engine and drivetrain and learn alot about your car WHILE also being one of the few to actually make a 305 respectable.
Hey it's just a suggestion, you probably wont want to do it, but I would really like to do all that with my car but there is no way in the world I could ever get the money or time to do that. If I had another car to use as a daily driver, I would definitely do it.
MiKeDiRnTRuLeZ wrote:hey 231 cubes, while Borsty is very knowledgable about 3rd gen f-bodies, he's not the only one who knows about them ya kno .
haha, i know... but your name's too damn long!!! plus i know that if the name "borsty" is in the thead title, all the f-body guys come jumpin out of the woodwork. that and i know borsty's doin the swap right now, so he's had experience.
as for building the 305, i had considered that, too. im looking at how much each would cost me, then i'll decide. but i wanted to figure out how hard a 350 swap would be as well. plus i have no idea what kind of condition the 305 block is in. i dont know exactly what's wrong with it. my dad says it's throwin a rod... but he also said it was carburated. oh well. i just want a friggin RWD toy car!!! FWD's no fun! course, it's kinda fun to put a hurtin on the RWD guys in a FWD 6-banger. then they ask if it's turboed
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
2 Months to put a sbc in a car? Holy @!#$. That's a 1 day job. You could put 1 bolt in a day on Saturdays and Sundays and have it done faster then 2 months. It couldn't get much easier.
^^hmm did you read his whole post?
Borsty wrote:
swap should be easy i didnt mine in like 2 months just cause i only had weekends to work on it and id usually run into a problem or need a new part and have to wait a few days, then a just ran outta money.
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ChrisIDV wrote:2 Months to put a sbc in a car? Holy @!#$. That's a 1 day job. You could put 1 bolt in a day on Saturdays and Sundays and have it done faster then 2 months. It couldn't get much easier.
it's never that easty to swap one kind of engine to another. if someone was just sticking a new 305 in, yeah, it'd be easier. but it's not just two bolts. you've got the wiring, fuel, vaccuum lines, electrical, plus you've got to bold it to the tranny. come on now, that's more than two bolts. and that's just for the same kind of engine that runs the same way. the list gets longer when it's a different kind of engine. there's a LOT more to it than two bolts.
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
'97 GTP 14.06@100.6mph pre cam w/ 3.5" pulley, I/E
ChrisIDV wrote:2 Months to put a sbc in a car? Holy @!#$. That's a 1 day job. You could put 1 bolt in a day on Saturdays and Sundays and have it done faster then 2 months. It couldn't get much easier.
sorry at the time i was working like 75 hours a week at the time and even when i had a free day i usually was too tired or had something esle to do. my bad
all in all i probably only spent like 20-25 hours changing the engine.
-Borsty
thats back when i had two jobs
-Borsty
Is the LS1 some kinda God around here or something??
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Mr. Luos wrote:Is the LS1 some kinda God around here or something??
Someone told them it was cool so they all just went with it. If the LS1 is god then why does everyone swap it out for something bigger lol.
