This is something to check out, I just saw that NHRA has a series for compact car, anybody interested?

if you can run with 1000hp cavaliers and you got the money go 4 it

i think the gm drag racing teams are more like @ 1800 hp

nope, 1200 hp, and I don't think I'll be running low 7's anytime soon.


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Not even close. With the new trubo rule changes along with the extra weight added they will not be in the low 7s unless you are talking about the PRO FWD. I know the Hot Rod class is really hurting.. with the current rule changes I think they will be in the high 7s....

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This is something to check out, I just saw that NHRA has a series for compact car, anybody interested?

He is actually talking about a complete new class which I think is classed "Street Class" more or less All Motor Engine with Complete 100% stock car. No weight reduction or anything in those lines. DOT Approved Tires and what not.... I will try to find the rules for it and post it later .. . .

Would that be the BFGoodrich Street Stock Series?
I just downloaded the Sport Compact Series rule book and that sounds like what you were talking about.

interesting

any more on the subject?

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There are several classes for the "non pros" to race in, just like like the other import/sport compact sanctions.

NHRA added a quick 16 class to handle the people with really fast cars that don't want to run Ladwig, Hoyos, or Matt Hatford.......

There are also street bracket racing classes, so people can run and have fun....

NHRA is trying to find a place for everyone that wants to race, a class to race in. The important thing is to read the rules and pass the safety/tech inspection, then have some fun. Once you understand what's required in "your" class, you can mod accordingly.

Download the '05 rule book and do some homework to figure out where your car fits.

The NHRA has set it up to allow the sport compact crowd to d-load their SC rule book for free without a membership. Typical old school muscle car racers, need to by a membership if they want a rule book for their car/classes.

http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2005/rules/index.html






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Mike is correct here is the one which I am talking about.


— SECTION 4 —
BFGOODRICH TIRES
STREET STOCK


> Designations
SS preceded by car number.
Designed for full-bodied, street-legal cars with full exhaust and
interior. Valid DOT registration and license plates mandatory. 4-
or 6-cylinder FWD platform only. AWD, RWD prohibited.
Naturally aspirated only. Power adders of any kind prohibited.
> Minimum Weights
4-cylinder, maximum displacement 2.4 liter: 2,350 pounds
6-cylinder, maximum displacement 3.0 liter: 2,650 pounds
All weights include driver, verified after the run.
CLASS REQUIREMENTS
ENGINE:
Engine swaps permitted. OEM engine mounting points mandatory.
Engine must be from same manufacturer as body. Engine must be
overhead-cam, production-based design. Engine must be in stock,
transverse configuration. Single throttle body only. Dry sumps,
vacuum pumps, prohibited.
EXHAUST:
All exhaust must flow through functioning muffler(s); must exit
behind rear tires. Any vehicle that did not come equipped with a
muffler(s) from the factory permitted, provided complete,
unmodified (except for header) OEM exhaust system is utilized.
FUEL:
Pump or racing gasoline only. See General Regulations 1:6.
FUEL SYSTEM:
Fuel cell prohibited. OEM fuel tank mandatory. See Section 4 and
General Regulations 1:5.
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STREET STOCK
SECTION 4 - BFGOODRICH TIRES STREET STOCK
LIQUID OVERFLOW:
See General Regulations 1:7.
FLYWHEEL SHIELD:
All cars using a clutch and running quicker than 11.49 or faster
than 135 mph must be equipped with a flywheel shield made of
1/4-inch-minimum-thickness steel plate. Shield must surround the
bellhousing completely except for area of flywheel shield adjacent
to differential and axle shaft. Shield may be multi-piece with pieces
bolted together using minimum 3/8-inch-diameter Grade 5 or M10
class 8.8 bolts; may be attached to engine and/or bellhousing. In
lieu of shield, a blanket meeting SFI Spec 4.1, completely
surrounding the bellhousing, is permitted. See General Regulations
2:5, 2:6, 2:9, 2:10.
TRANSMISSION, AUTOMATIC:
Transmission must be OEM for engine used. All cars using an
automatic transmission and running quicker than 10.99 or faster
than 135 mph must be equipped with a transmission shield
meeting SFI Spec 4.1, a flexplate shield labeled as meeting SFI
Spec 30.1, and a flexplate labeled as meeting SFI Spec 29.1.
Transmission brake prohibited.
TRANSMISSION, MANUAL:
Transmission must be OEM for engine used. Automated, timertype,
pneumatic, electric, electronic, hydraulic, etc. shifting
mechanism prohibited; each individual shift must be a function of
the driver and controlled manually. (Driver must pull the lever.)
BRAKES:
Four-wheel hydraulic brakes mandatory. See General Regulations
3:1. Carbon fiber brake rotors prohibited.
STEERING:
Must retain full, original OEM steering gear. See General
Regulations 3:2, 3:3, 4:1.
SUSPENSION, FRONT:
Complete, operative OEM suspension mandatory. Bolt-on traction
devices permitted. Control arms, strut mounting points, etc., must
be OEM, front and rear. Aftermarket springs and struts, including
coil-overs, permitted, but must utilize original OEM mounting
points. Final decision rests with NHRA Technical Services.
SUSPENSION, REAR:
Strut tower braces, lower tie bars, sway bars, and limit straps are
permitted. Complete, operative OEM suspension mandatory. Bolton
traction devices permitted. Control arms, strut mounting points,
etc., must be OEM, front and rear. Aftermarket springs and struts,
including coil-overs, permitted, but must utilize original OEM
mounting points. Final decision rests with NHRA Technical
Services. Spindle mounts prohibited.
WHEELIE BARS:
Prohibited.
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BALLAST:
Permitted. See General Regulations 4:2.
CHASSIS:
OEM chassis, with complete OEM floorpan and firewall,
mandatory. Wheel tubs, back-half conversions, tube chassis, etc.
prohibited. Must retain FWD configuration; rear-drive conversions
prohibited. Engine must be located in OEM location for body used.
Roll bar mandatory in any car running 11.99 or quicker; roll cage
mandatory in any car running 9.99 or quicker or 135 mph or faster.
Non-OEM tubing in front of firewall prohibited except to tie shock
towers to roll cage. Roll cage in cars running 9.99 or quicker must
be inspected every three years by NHRA and have serialized
sticker affixed to roll cage before participation. See General
Regulations 4:10, 4:11, 10:6.
GROUND CLEARANCE:
Minimum 3 inches from front of car to 12 inches behind centerline
of front axle, 2 inches for remainder of car (except for exhaust
more than 12 inches behind centerline of front axle).
PARACHUTE:
Mandatory on any car running 150 mph or faster. See General
Regulations 4:8.
WHEELBASE:
Must retain original wheelbase for body used, plus or minus 1 inch.
Maximum wheelbase variation from left to right is 1 inch.
TIRES:
DOT approved radial tires, front and rear, mandatory. Rear
“skinnies” prohibited. Maximum diameter 25.0 inches. Maximum
width 225. All tires must be DOT approved and warranted for
highway use. Retreads, space-saver spares, or any other non-DOTapproved
tire prohibited.
WHEELS:
Wheels must be DOT approved. Off-road wheels prohibited.
Minimum wheel size 13 inches unless originally equipped with
smaller wheels and vehicle is equipped with original engine. Wheel
studs must be threaded into hex portion of lug nut a distance at
least equal to the diameter of the stud. Spindle mounts prohibited.
See General Regulations 5:2.
INTERIOR:
Complete interior, including dashboard, door panels, headliner, etc.
mandatory. Rear seat may be removed, but all other upholstery
and panels must remain in place. Two matching, upholstered front
seats mandatory. Aftermarket seats permitted, but must be fully
upholstered. All factory controls must be retained and operative;
i.e., lights, signals, horn, windows, and wipers.
SECTION 4 - BFGOODRICH TIRES STREET STOCK 27
STREET STOCK
BODY:
Body must be on NHRA Accepted Body list. Pickup and SUV
bodies prohibited.
Complete, OEM body structure mandatory, including floorpan,
firewall, strut towers, wheel houses, etc. Modifications to wheel
openings prohibited.
Mild customizing, body kits permitted, but must retain full-bodied
appearance, with minimum two functional doors. Doors must open
and close from inside and outside. Windshield and all windows
must retain OEM safety glass. Modifications to wheel openings
prohibited.
Lightweight body panels limited to hood and hatch or deck lid.
Aftermarket body kits permitted, but full street-legal appearance
must be maintained. One-piece aftermarket front end prohibited.
COMPETITION NUMBERS:
See General Regulations 7:2.
FIREWALL:
OEM firewall mandatory. See General Regulations 6:1, 7:4.
FLOOR:
OEM floorpan, front to rear, mandatory.
STREET EQUIPMENT:
Complete headlight and taillight assemblies (all) mandatory; must
be operative.
WINDSHIELD/WINDOWS:
Complete OEM windshield and windows mandatory. Windows must
be operative per factory specifications. (Must open and close via
electrical or OEM mechanical means.)
BATTERIES:
Batteries must be securely mounted; may not be located in driver
compartment unless sealed off per General Regulations. See
General Regulations 8:1.
IGNITION:
Two steps, rev limiters, etc. permitted. See General Regulations
8:1, 8:3, 8:4, 8:5.
MASTER CUTOFF:
Mandatory on any car running 9.99 or quicker, or 135 mph or
faster, or on any car where battery is relocated to trunk area of
vehicle. See General Regulations 8:4.
COMPUTER:
Prohibited. See General Regulations 9:1.
DATA RECORDER:
Permitted. See General Regulations 9:2.
FIRE EXTINGUISHER SYSTEM:
Permitted; must be securely mounted. See General Regulations
9:3.
28 SECTION 4 - BFGOODRICH TIRES STREET STOCK
TOW VEHICLES:
Prohibited.
WARM-UPS:
See General Regulations 9:4, 9:12.
CREDENTIALS:
All drivers running 10.00 or slower must have a valid state- or
government-issued driver’s license beyond a learner’s-permit level
or NHRA competition license. NHRA competition license
mandatory for driver of any car running 9.99 or quicker.
DRIVER RESTRAINT SYSTEM:
Three-inch-wide driver restraint system labeled as meeting SFI
Spec 16.1 mandatory in any car required to have a roll bar or roll
cage. System includes crotch strap and must be updated at twoyear
intervals from date of manufacture. All other cars, OEM
restraint system mandatory. See General Regulations 10:5, 10:11.
HELMET:
Helmet meeting Snell 90, 95, 2000 or SFI Spec 31.1A, 31.2A,
41.1A, or 41.2A mandatory. See General Regulations 10:7.



NECK COLLAR:
Mandatory on driver of any car running 9.99 seconds or quicker or
135 mph or faster. See General Regulations 10:8.
PROTECTIVE CLOTHING:
See General Regulations 10:10.

sweet
where do i sign up?

Thats what I downloaded, not that I'm planning on running that division. 2.2L/2200 are OHV's and don't qualify and aren't fast enough to be in that level !

thats funny.....the 2.2 is disqualified. neat ideas though, but it needs a little work, i mean what are they saying, that half of the j bodies aren't good enough to compete?


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They are just limiting the cars to being slower then they are.
That is kinda not fair.
But well.



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well its the overhead cam rule
thats all

Hmm i read the rules, I'm interested in running this.



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sappyL61 wrote:well its the overhead cam rule
thats all

Yea that's kind of an odd one.... "Engine must be overhead-cam, production-based design"

But a call to the NHRA, if you are serious about running a 2.2 OHV J-Car could get that amended with the infamous NHRA caveat "unless NHRA accepted" A statement which is prevalent in their rules revisions througout a given year....

Based on the rules, it looks like a tough class. I'd bet 2nd gen DSM's would own early until people get other cars dialed into the rules. A Supra might be tough as well.




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jbodyho wrote:Based on the rules, it looks like a tough class. I'd bet 2nd gen DSM's would own early until people get other cars dialed into the rules. A Supra might be tough as well.

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4-or 6-cylinder FWD platform only. AWD, RWD prohibited.
Naturally aspirated only. Power adders of any kind prohibited.

They can't run in this class

I don't think its going to be a very strong class

jbodyho wrote:

sappyL61 wrote:well its the overhead cam rule
thats all

Yea that's kind of an odd one.... "Engine must be overhead-cam, production-based design"

But a call to the NHRA, if you are serious about running a 2.2 OHV J-Car could get that amended with the infamous NHRA caveat "unless NHRA accepted" A statement which is prevalent in their rules revisions througout a given year....

Based on the rules, it looks like a tough class. I'd bet 2nd gen DSM's would own early until people get other cars dialed into the rules. A Supra might be tough as well.

Actually those cars would not be allowed. Sounds like a class for high 13 to 16 second cars. Sounds fun.



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Done up H22 motor in a CRX, with a little over 300 to the wheel, which would be no problem for that motor should put the REX in like high 11's.
Also, all the 2nd gen DSM's that are running Turbo are 4G63 motors and they would NOT be permitted cause of the rules. GS-X specially cause of AWD.
The RS's and GS's are 420A motor, a god damn Neon motor, so they wouldn't GO ANYWHERE THAT FAST. lol

Supras have Turbos and the NA ones are SLOW, so there they go.
Another thing that might kick some ass would be a 2.4L motor 4 cylinder Stratus motor in a Neon, I have seen them Turbo kick ass so do a little NA woulk to them put them in 12's on a street tire, and a Quaife.

Trust me John this is by NO MEANS a HIGH 13 CLASS. lol There isn't such thing no more.



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?
can you bolt up a h22 to a crx and maintain all of the rules?
original engine mounts points
original suspension and everything?

ENGINE:
Engine swaps permitted. OEM engine mounting points mandatory.
Engine must be from same manufacturer as body. Engine must be
overhead-cam, production-based design. Engine must be in stock,
transverse configuration.

4-cylinder, maximum displacement 2.4 liter: 2,350 pounds

Does it fit these rules?

I blew right passed the "prohibited" part... sorry...lol








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MadJack wrote:ENGINE:
Engine swaps permitted. OEM engine mounting points mandatory.
Engine must be from same manufacturer as body. Engine must be
overhead-cam, production-based design. Engine must be in stock,
transverse configuration.

4-cylinder, maximum displacement 2.4 liter: 2,350 pounds

Does it fit these rules?

i asked if the oem mounting points would be used

and the suspension

hum. So the Gtz and G-A can't run in that class. The 2.3 is an Olds engine in a Chevy/Gm body. Plus what if you build a 2.6 out of a 2.3? it's still the 2.3 block right? Will they ask you to tear down the engine and measure the bore/stroke to check the displacement?

Like said above, it's not really a street class. If they want a street class, they need to let any OHV or OHC run in that class. It's like saying the 2.3 OHC can't run in that class but the DOHC can?!?!?!?

And why can't you run the 2.5 Iron duke? not enough powerfull?



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