A buddy of mine at work saw this on a third gen f-body website. This is a very intersting idea. I guess the whole point is to make installation easier and make the under hood look almost stock. Here is the info and pics.
ps: This isn't my car!!
Here is a link to the actual post make on the other forum, you may have to register to read it though buy it only takes like 2 min
stealth turbo setup
"I have been intrigued with the remote mount turbo system ever since I first seen one of STS's systems. At first I laughed, but then I got curious. What if it would actually work? It would be the easiest way to add a turbo to almost any car! I decided I had to try it. I had a used turbo laying around from my TT Iroc project, and my daily driver '89 Cavalier Z24 2.8/5spd was ready and waiting. The wheels started to turn, and I took a friday and saturday off to see if I could build a quick turbo system. Started friday at 8am, and was driving a turbocharged Cavalier by 6pm saturday. I could have finished friday evening if I had found the proper oil pump the first time (I found that a carter gasoline pump and an old 6.5 diesel fuel lift pump did not work). I will have more pics and details soon.
Here are some specs on the system:
*89 Cavalier 2.8 5speed, 174K miles
*Garrett T3 turbo from a volvo or saab- .42comp, .48turbine A/R
*Turbo put in place of muffler (no muffler was used, as the turbo itself quites down the exhaust effectively)
*2" piping fornt to engine, no IC, but charge temps under heavy load never over 120°F on 80° day (according to data logging scan tool)
*Turbo lubed with engine oil, pressure line T'd off at sending unit
*Oil pumped back to engine into front valve cover via a SHURflo 8000 series oil pump (purchased from local farm supply store)
*Factory internal wastegate, 6psi boost
*Turbo XS RFL blow off valve (sounds great!- it will be put on my TT Iroc once I get it back together, but for now it will stay on the Cavvy)
Before I get nailed with comments about how stupid this type of system is, I know this system is far from ideal. Remote turbo systems have been cut up in every post I read about them, and there are some good reasons not to turbo your car this way. But, it is the easiest way possible, it provides more turbo whistle noise (because the turbo is so close to the tailpipe), and it does work. If you want an all out high performance type system, build it the right way with turbo headers and the turbo as close to the exhaust port as possible (the high velocity of the hot exhaust aids in kicking up the turbine speed) and use a good intercooler. But if you want a quick and simple turbo system, this would bve an option.
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sweet, i saw a company that was doing that in the latest Turbo magazine. i think the website is
ststurbo.com , they dont have them for jbodies yet, they are basically making them for cars with little space available in the engine bay, like camaros and trucks and such. <br>
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i wouldnt think that would be nearly as effective as right off the manifold. hotter air takes up more space therefore more volume to move the fans in the turbo. i dont think with that setup you could really boost that high due to the air cooling down so much. not to mention the length of the charge pipes adding to the lag problem.. i applaud you for thinking outside the box but i wonder if it is really worth it... <br>
Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
when the turbo sits that far back in the exhaust....the exhaust temp is cooler and cooler means less velocity. Less velocity means it will be harder to turn the turbo
I would think putting it there would only be a last option if there is no room in the engine compartment.
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Rob: "At least I know my cavy is only about 115hp. I am afraid to race box vans."
It would be best to have it as close to the manifold as possible cause thats were all the air is being forced out and by the time the air gets to the turbo its not going as fast so you get alot of lag and it will take longer to build up boost, they only good thing I see in it is you hid your turbo. If you ran a pipe from your throttle body through an empty factory air box and back to the turbo, it would look completly stock.
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after seeing how many people dragged a bit of muffler at the bash, i would be worried about that issue as well being the turbo has no cover to it after the rear wheel... <br>
Wait untill the first heavy rain and you hit a big @!#$ puddle.Hydrolock?Plus i was told never to throw cold water on a hot engine.So i see a cracked turbo housing in the near future.One way this company controls lag is by a really small turbine A/R.That compensates for the cooler/less velocity exhaust. <br>
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You can argue all you want until you are blue in the face. It's useless because there is more then enough proof that the system works. No matter how ghetto or stupid it may seem it is proven to be a good setup.
ohh it works, and spool time isnt bad... IF you pick a small small turbo for your engine. thats about the only way it works fine as far as spooling. retarded if you ask me. if you wanted to get stealthy with our cars, you could always sub-remote mount it and put it right under the dash where the stock cat is. noone would see that and you could still run intake pipeing to whereever you wanted. also, with remote mount turbo setups, a pump is needed to draw oil out of the turbo and away back to the pan. <br>
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Could this work if you used really small exhaust and charge pipes? I know the setup..at least in my opinion..SUCKS..but would that make it any better? You'd get higher velocities. Also, GlowinCavy is right about the oil pump. And that would end up being lots more work. <br>
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Dan Pelter wrote:You can argue all you want until you are blue in the face. It's useless because there is more then enough proof that the system works. No matter how ghetto or stupid it may seem it is proven to be a good setup.
whi TF said anything about "it doesnt work"
people here are posting about whats more efficient and what not... a ENTIRELY different subject.... <br>
I never said anyone said it doesnt work. I just said it works. That doesn't insinuate someone said otherwise. I am merely stating there are quite a few people who have them and they are great kits. They are very effective. Also not saying I would recommend it over one right off a header either. You read into messages too much.
They are great if you have limited space and live in southern Califonia!I wouldn't be to worried about my airfilter being under my vehicle or having an electric oil pump to my turbo.Just to many things to go wrong.Other than that its great. <br>
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Hmm, I wonder what gains he got from that.
I like stealth installs, even if it's not quite optimum, it'll still surprise the hell out of people, AND you probably don't need too much of an intercooler if any, since the charge pipes are so long. Just put some fins on the pipe, lol.
I might have to put that T3 sitting in the garage to good use on the sleeper! <br>
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Like Mike Wilson said, grab the latest issue of 'Turbo & High Performance' from the shelf. There is an article about a similar setup.
Since I haven't tested it, I won't judge it's effectiveness. However, the article noted that the length of charge piping makes the use of an intercooler unimportant. <br>
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That in fact is the STS turbo kit. STS is a company right near by where i live. Thus, i know the guy very well with the black camaro in the pictures. On that setup he runs 18 psi and claims 11's in it. But he will never take the car to the track. Saying quote "it is to fast for the track." I never knew there was such a thing. He also has a tacoma with the type of setup, and claims 13's out of it. Yet i have a very close friend with the same setup as him and he only runs mid 15's on smaller tires. So, as you can tell STS is full of crap. But this saturday my friend that i work with who has a 10 sec. LS1 is going to race him. And after he handily rails the guy i'll post and talk even more crap about the sts kits. Yes, they do work, but not nearly efficient.
Too fast for the track????
Thats great!
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Rob: "At least I know my cavy is only about 115hp. I am afraid to race box vans."
Ouch, that sucks. Maybe I'll give it a shot anyway just for a laugh. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. <br>
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That's why I don't race in the Indy 500. I am too fast for that track...
Wow, what a Load !
It's plausible. If the guy doesn't have a rollbar he won't be able to run. So it may be too fast for the track in that sense. Not everyone wants to deal with a rollbar on a daily driven car.
After looking over his website, I can see where that system should work fine. I don't think it would be my first choice, but it should certainly work and improve HP as he says it does. Turbo Lag would be interesting...
The roll bar really isn't why he won't run it. My friends 10 sec. camaro doesn't have one either and they haven't kicked him off yet. And yes the kit does work very well, i won't deny that at all. He claims to have full boost at 3800 rpms, but it is a little bit of a smaller turbo. The one good thing that i do like about it is no need for an intercooler. The charge pipes are so long you really don't need on. yes it works, but it wouldn't be my first choice.
it is a neat idea. but the guy who says it is too fast for the track is a tool, i seen at tracks cars just get warnings after a time slip has been handed to them. " hey buddy, u need a helmet next time, or hey this car needs a a roll cage to come back".
i personally would be worried on getting that turbo all full of water on a rainy day. but i am sure u can shield it somehow.
the idea is cool though, i never thought i would ever see something like it. <br>
Cool for a different project but I dunno why anybody would pay for a kit that due to physics has to be much less efficent then its alternatives. I would love to hear at what RPM full boost kicks in at. Especially w/ a smaller liter engine pushing it.
I short-routed my intercooler piping by about 9 inches and got full boost about 400 RPMS quicker. The length of the pipe makes a HUGE difference in lag.
Seems like this setup would be VERY laggy on most cars. Seems like it would be feel like a small "vtec kicking in" at 5-6 grand instead of a larger and superior hit of boost throwing you back at 3 grand.. Interesting concept however and my post is all hersay since i've never tried or experinced this setup personally.
(I feel dirty for using a "VTEC" reference,,srry)
My buddy use to have a 89 Eagle Talson TSI, and he had his like that. Last about 3 months and then he hydrolocked it Big time. It was so bad he ditched the car and bought a truck. Isn't that just begging to be hydrolocked, I mean its right next to the tire which throws water towards it and its so low and uncovered. biggest Flaw HYDROLOCK! <br>
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