I havent looked up the state of the gm supercharger kit in a good year. I was curious what the price tag is like these days? anyone got times ?? anyone have the kit yet?
thanks
~$2500 from paceparts.com
It doesn't come intercooled, so that's another few hundred.
Some people have times, but not me...yet.
Wanna shoot me a link to the intercooler? I noticed from searching people call it a "heat exchanger" which makes me think it is a liquid to air cooler... correct?
thanks
ebay....
so i take it this isnt a GM product??? You guys got any pics of this heat exchanger installed?
If the supercharger bolts directly onto the intake, how can you use an intercooler? Perhaps your cooling the air BEFORE it reaches the supercharger? I just cant visualize this.
I just sold my Twinturbo fairladyZ ... and now i gotta make my daily driver fast... so sorry to have so many questions
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are you guys useing the heat exchanger to keep the coolant used to cool the SC cold as possible.... which inturn avoids heating up the air as it enters the manifold?
No, there is no intercooling possible on the eco or ld9 supercharger kits. Do water injection.
You are more than welcome to try to fab a manifold spacer that exhausts the SC to an intercooler then into the motor but thats your only option.
Joshua Dearman wrote:No, there is no intercooling possible on the eco or ld9 supercharger kits. Do water injection.
You are more than welcome to try to fab a manifold spacer that exhausts the SC to an intercooler then into the motor but thats your only option.
That's not entirely accurate.
The ecotec kit's intake manifold is intercooler ready. Meaning, it has the intercooler cores built into the manifold. There are two holes. One connects to a hose going to a coolant resevoir, into a heat exchanger, and into the other hole in the intake manifold. Somewhere along the line there is a generic water pump to pump the coolant. Basically, the air is cooled after the supercharger, but before the combustion chamber.
The ld9 supercharger kits do however need water/alky injection.
This is also an option for the ecotecs too, just not the best one in my opinion.
Joshua Dearman wrote:No, there is no intercooling possible on the eco or ld9 supercharger kits. Do water injection.
You are more than welcome to try to fab a manifold spacer that exhausts the SC to an intercooler then into the motor but thats your only option.
Yeah, I see you've done your research
14.330 @ 96.37mph
Sweet.
thanks for the quick information A.Jedi.
Turbo kit has ALOT more potential and a better system setup then this SC kit. BUT this SC kit looks so simple. I really like what it offers with so few parts.
I am in Canada... so i am gonna have price things out.
thanks
Crazy Dude wrote:Sweet.
thanks for the quick information A.Jedi.
Turbo kit has ALOT more potential and a better system setup then this SC kit. BUT this SC kit looks so simple. I really like what it offers with so few parts.
I am in Canada... so i am gonna have price things out.
thanks
well i have seen the eco supercharger putting out 14psi... which is a pretty big amount for a stock bottom end, but i would put money on it that an ecotec engine with a GM supercharger and intercooler could put down high 200whp numbers with a proper tune other then GM's... (because of how much timing they pull when under boost) so in other words a supercharged eco would give a turbo eco or ld9 a good run for its money if not beat it
The First Twin Charged jbody
blue car (R.I.P) - 240whp @7psi..
silver car - 305whp 315lbs.tq @15psi (91 Octane) or 420whp & 425lbs.TQ @20psi (94 octane+Alcohol Injection)
All dynos run on a Mustang dyno
Admiral Jedi wrote:Josh F wrote:well i have seen the eco supercharger putting out 14psi... which is a pretty big amount for a stock bottom end, but i would put money on it that an ecotec engine with a GM supercharger and intercooler could put down high 200whp numbers with a proper tune other then GM's... (because of how much timing they pull when under boost) so in other words a supercharged eco would give a turbo eco or ld9 a good run for its money if not beat it
Exactly my plan....
and i have no doughts that you will make it... i might even put money on you or some one with an supercharged eco putting down a possible 300whp with like i said a better tune and proper mods
The First Twin Charged jbody
blue car (R.I.P) - 240whp @7psi..
silver car - 305whp 315lbs.tq @15psi (91 Octane) or 420whp & 425lbs.TQ @20psi (94 octane+Alcohol Injection)
All dynos run on a Mustang dyno
I personally will be using my car as a daily driver...and dont need HUGE HUGE power
I wanna get the SC, HeatExcahnger exhaust, intake, leave it at that. My concern is how long our motors can handle this supercharger. So i am gonna wait a while untill i see people blowing up their motors hehe. If my motor blow sup, i got no way to get to work.
How many miles have you guys driven your GM SC ECO cars for so far?
I've driven mine about 2 miles. Just around the block. I get the reflash tomorrow. Yay!
hey jedi not to thread jack but i get back form iraq here in a few weeks, we have to meet up and give me a ride in that car, i am dieing to see what the S/C is like man. thn we can talk about the rims if ur still intrested.
Crazy Dude wrote:How many miles have you guys driven your GM SC ECO cars for so far?
I forgot the exact mileage, but I'm estimating that I'm getting close to 25,000 just on the s/c for my eco. So far so good, granted I haven't gone to a smaller pulley, yet. I want to get the intercooler hooked up, get a built engine in, and maybe alky too, first.
wow josh dearman, you went a step back on that one.
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Josh if you don't know, don't speak.
I have had mine for about 4 months know, and have put on about 12K of normally daily driving, when I am nice to the throttle I am getting close to 380 with a city/hwy combo per tank, pure highway I will pull ofer 400miles easily.
This car is currently non-intercooled and is pulling in the 14's right now in the 1/4. Nice thing is you can add this at anytime so buy the car, do the research to understand the SC kit, what it comes at from the factory, and then what else can be done to it.
lol guys.. Josh is gone on job training for like the next 2 weeks, so try to restrain yourselves..
Who knows, maybe with all the time you'll save by not speaking in generalities, and repetitive drivvle about symantecs maybe, just maybe you all might help eachother instead of acting like a bunch of over zealous high schoolers standing around calling everyone stupid that doesn't agree with your singular view on design, or capabilities.
I see a lot of talk, but not any actual 'proof of concept' posted (pics, diagram, or someone who actually has a intercooled supercharger on an eco or ld9). I'm not saying it's possible, or impossible because with enough machining, and engineering anything's 'possible' but does someone actually have a parts list to accomplish this?
As far as what Jedi posted about: "The air being cooled after the supercharger, but before the combustion chamber." I can see how that would be possible with his description, but I have a tough time visualizing that setup with the close tolorances we have to work with once the supercharger is installed. Everything's just packed in there like sardines how would an intercooler + pipes even fit?
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whitephatt you should educate yourself before trying to talk down on people. There are many members who have intercooled the eco s/c and it's not some fancy machining, the kit basically comes from the cobalt ss which is intercooled, the intake manifold has the intercooler cores all you need is a heat exchanger pump, reservoir and hoses.
If you didn't see the zillions of threads about intercooling the eco s/c in the past few months since it came out, then you sir are blind.
15.574 @ 89 mph stock without charger. new times with charger coming soon.
DanteMustDie wrote:whitephatt you should educate yourself before trying to talk down on people. There are many members who have intercooled the eco s/c and it's not some fancy machining, the kit basically comes from the cobalt ss which is intercooled, the intake manifold has the intercooler cores all you need is a heat exchanger pump, reservoir and hoses.
If you didn't see the zillions of threads about intercooling the eco s/c in the past few months since it came out, then you sir are blind.
Who's talking down on people? I'm merely saying that if everyone channeled their inate abilities to posture one-another's ideas into problem solving discussion groups this thread as a whole would delve a lot further into the mire that is 'The understanding of how the setup is accomplished', and not undercutting your fellow J-Body'er.
No, I'm not 'blind' as you put it, I never said it 'wasn't' possible but merely asking 'how' it's setup with such close tolorances to afford the proper amount of airflow?
I have no doubt that there have been many members who have intercooled the eco supercharger. The proof speaks for itself, but my question was specificially dealing with what parts are required, and how is the setup actually accomplished. The stock setup doesn't include the intercooler so additional parts are required. What are they? So, you see we're on the same side just different views I supose.
I also should have been more specific in my previous post to include that my question reguarding parts and setup design is directed more toward the LD9 while engine size between the LD9 and the Eco are (reletively speaking) almost identical so my question reguarding tolorances, and setup remains the same, while adding the additional question: Are the parts required for the Eco the same for the LD9? Aside from the universal-ish intercooler, the supercharger would of course be different but is the setup / design / installation the same as far as the placement of the hoses, and intercooler?
-White
search for 5 minutes and you'll have the answers to all your questions
I won't get into specifics because this has been said so many times, but the LD9 is not intercoolable without major work, the intake manifold doesn't have any intercooler core or holes to attach the hoses. The eco is easily intercoolable with the parts mentioned in my other post.
15.574 @ 89 mph stock without charger. new times with charger coming soon.
Well that makes much more sense. Infact, that answers my question 100%. I was shooting for a parts list, and such for the LD9 intercooler setup, but since it's not possible that's a mute point.
There is no intercooler solution for the LD9 without major work. Ah, it's all making sense now
So, had Josh Dearman left off 'eco' in his post he would of been correct.
-White
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