just curious about what kind of numbers you're getting with 'em.
thanks
well i have a 00 ohv with a t3 60 trim intercooled and i made 175 to the wheel on 6 psi
I made around 200 on 10psi til a piston cracked. FYI the stock internals are appearantly only rated to around 190 hp on our little 2200's.
my goal is to get around 230-240HP. but not sure if it's possible with the 2.2. was gonna just do an engine swap, but after talking with a friend, there may be more headaches and problems with a swap then going turbo.
i've read about people putting a 3800 in, and i was looking at one of the turbo engines from saab, but if i can get that kind of power with just a turbo and a few other mods, i'd go that route
190....d@mn......guess i'll have to go the swap route then.
Z Speed Cavi wrote:bad tuning will make any 2200 motor blow up....... this is were lee needs to que in
I'm sure he will...
190 is bull-phooey. Lots of poeople have put down more than that. Unfortunately, many people cheap out on the tuning, and this leads to broken pistons.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
ok.....i found this site last week listing a few turbos. it list HP produced and all that. but the one suggested for the 2.2 (non ecotec) says 95-98......so it won't fit my 99'??
and 250HP with a 2.2???? (the extreme package).....does that seem far fetched to some of you?.....i took my cavy to the dynos a few years ago and put down about 105 HP. can i really get an extra 150HP one just a turbo??? i mean, it doesn't really specify 250 for the 2.2, it just says "out of the box" and "50%+".......anybody feel like commenting or inform me of what i might be misreading??
here's the link
http://www.importperformanceparts.net/imports/turbospec_cavalier.html
David F. wrote:well i have a 00 ohv with a t3 60 trim intercooled and i made 175 to the wheel on 6 psi
Soon to be 200hp
My turbo 2.2 put down 275hp & 306 torque running 15psi of boost with a built block and ported head.
coolgrafix wrote:k.....i found this site last week listing a few turbos. it list HP produced and all that. but the one suggested for the 2.2 (non ecotec) says 95-98......so it won't fit my 99'??
That must not be listed correctly. A turbo kit for a 95-97 2.2 will not bolt directly up to a 99-02 2.2 engine. If it was me, I wouldnt buy that kit until I have seen it installed on someone else's car.
A 2.2 should easily be able to handle 200hp with a good tune.
275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
275hp/306tq?? just the kind of numbers i've been looking for!!!! may i ask what kit you got? and do you have a stick or auto? i heard and read auto's tend to be a little better when running boost.
He had a stick and a custom turbo setup. CavConn (JTuners) manifold, T3/T04E 57 trim turbo (I'd still suggest a 50 trim though). Autos are 'better' because they don't lose boost between shifts, but with an auto you're still suck with crappy gear ratios and a car that's lees fun to drive.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
OHV notec wrote:Z Speed Cavi wrote:bad tuning will make any 2200 motor blow up....... this is were lee needs to que in
I'm sure he will...
190 is bull-phooey. Lots of poeople have put down more than that. Unfortunately, many people cheap out on the tuning, and this leads to broken pistons.
Lol if your referring to my car why dont you take a look at my registry before calling me a bad tuner lol ive got better tuning equipment then half the damn people on this site including you and Lee! Heres a thing for you to learn, the thing about cast pistons is the can, just crap out and crack, with absolutly no warning. Hence why ours are only rated at 190, sure you can run more, as i did for a very long time, but they can also pop at any given time. Thats right, cast pistons=crap, and any one who wants to argue with me can gladly try, ive broken cast pistons and rods before. Also if you want to take the matters further i can post pistures of my broken piston which shows no sign of detonation, as do none of my spark plugs.
As for the original poster, no you dont need to do a swap, a 2200 will do just fine, your just going to have to build more internals if you want high horspower, plain and simple.
/rant
Cory, I think notec said 'many' people cheap out, and not 'every' person.
I agree that cast pistons are garbage, and anyone wanting to make long lasting -serious power need to consider a rebuild with reliable parts that will handle abuse for a long time.
I say forged aluminum pistons all the way, and wideband tuning
Cory Forson wrote:Lol if your referring to my car why dont you take a look at my registry before calling me a bad tuner lol ive got better tuning equipment then half the damn people on this site including you and Lee! Heres a thing for you to learn, the thing about cast pistons is the can, just crap out and crack, with absolutly no warning. Hence why ours are only rated at 190, sure you can run more, as i did for a very long time, but they can also pop at any given time. Thats right, cast pistons=crap, and any one who wants to argue with me can gladly try, ive broken cast pistons and rods before. Also if you want to take the matters further i can post pistures of my broken piston which shows no sign of detonation, as do none of my spark plugs.
As for the original poster, no you dont need to do a swap, a 2200 will do just fine, your just going to have to build more internals if you want high horspower, plain and simple.
/rant
lol, put your fists down big boy, I don't remember mentioning you. Although, your fuel management does suck as well (even if it is better than 80% of the boosted members here)
. Nor do I remember mentioning myself or Lee having good fuel management. That melted piston in my registry is proof of my downfall, and I've mentioned hundreds of times the mistakes I made as I try to convince others not to cheap out. I've also repeatedly mentioned that Lee is pushing his luck with his band-aids.
Also, don't mention "cast pistons=crap" to the DOHC guys, they think their engines are bulletproof lol.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
that's the only thing i hate about my car. it's an auto. but i think i'm just gonna deal with it for now. the money i'd fork out for a auto to stick converstion i can put towards all the other stuff. and later down the road when i decide to get a new car i'll make d@mn sure it's a stick
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Although, your fuel management does suck as well (even if it is better than 80% of the boosted members here) .
Lol alright, ill admit you got me there, tho i am impressed with what an APEX i-II can do, good bang for the buck
I'm so going to get flamed for this ............ don't know why .... but someone will..........
222WHP & 231WTQ........................
stock internals..... with every external bolt on ............................
10.8psi.................... for 6 months...... good tune.....
Lee
JDM Civic Hatch
Status: Parting Out Turbo Kit....
14.224 @ 102.01MPH @ 5.5psi.... 2.3 60'
Next: Civic JDM B16a2 w/GSR LSD Turbo - Goal 300whp 1400lbs...
OHV notec wrote:He had a stick and a custom turbo setup. CavConn (JTuners) manifold, T3/T04E 57 trim turbo (I'd still suggest a 50 trim though).
You almost got it, I was using a T3/T4 60 trim on my car. I should have gone with a 60-1
Cory Forson wrote:Hence why ours are only rated at 190, sure you can run more, as i did for a very long time, but they can also pop at any given time.
I still think that these 2.2s can handle 200hp with a good tune.
275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
I tend to agree, i really dont know where the 190 came from, its just what everyone told me on here when i cracked my piston. So i really dont know if thats completely true or not, however, they dont seem to handle a whole lot of horsepower all that well.
I think that with a good air/fuel and pulling out 1-2 degrees of timing, the 2.2 should be fine around 200hp.
275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
With an auto tranny, would the tranny mounts help as far as when the tranny decides to die? I know our transmissions can't hold quite as much power as a manual or the getrag trannies, but how much is the limit?
Cory Forson wrote:
Thats right, cast pistons=crap, and any one who wants to argue with me can gladly try, ive broken cast pistons and rods before.
SRT-4's use cast pistons and can hold 600hp with them.
- 93 mph in the 1/8 mile
Member of J-Body Of Michigan.
OHV notec wrote:Also, don't mention "cast pistons=crap" to the DOHC guys, they think their engines are bulletproof lol.
lol aint that the truth, how many of my DOHC friends say I'd be crazy to boost with cast pistons... like theirs are made out of anything better? gm=cheap engine construction.
Skilz10179 wrote:Cory Forson wrote:
Thats right, cast pistons=crap, and any one who wants to argue with me can gladly try, ive broken cast pistons and rods before.
SRT-4's use cast pistons and can hold 600hp with them.
Umm not quite, The SRT-4 uses specially designed turbo pistons cast from eutectic alluminum alloy. While eutectic isnt the strongest out there, its still a stronger alloy then our cast pistons.
not to mention the full floating wrist pins and forged rods and crank they use...
