So i have a 10w7 with a 500/1v2 amp and the box is an audio enhancers box that was supposed to be specifically made for the 10w7, however the sub hits but i dont think it is hitting to its full potential, as what i hear everyobe say a w7 can do. i also notice that when it is hitting pretty hard, the box moves, so do you think the box i have is not efficient enough and maybe i should get the JL H.O. box that is made for?
here is the link to my box....http://www.shipsound.com/product_info.php?products_id=101159
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Dont buy boxes. Make them yourself. The premanufactured ones arent very well made.
a quality customer built box and more power would be good places to look for more output. Also, what rumors have people been telling you about the W7 and it's output? You might just be thinking of it as a bit bad SPL monster, which is not what that sub intended for at all.
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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i was just told that this sub is more for sq but the spl is crazy too. i might go get a custom built box, i dont think i am going to go with more power because that amp is what i waa told is perfect for that sub
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750rms is what those are rated for, the 500/1 will do fine for now, but 750-1000 watts would really let it do it's work easiest and best.
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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ok well i will check into the 1000/1 but i just didnt want to blow the sub..
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You could put the biggest amp possible on that sub and not blow it... IF you know what to listen for. Most people don't blow a subwoofer by overpowering them, most the people I know are idiots that clip the hell out of the sub and max out the gains.
Just listen for distortion and make sure to tune the amp by Oscope
And please, get a box made for the sub, you will be happy you did.
honestly with this amp i dont know how to tune it..it has so many things like, Q, subsonic filter and two other knobs that i cant think of the name right now. this amp is confusing to me, but i am going to buy the high output box that jl makes for it.
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Have a friend or go somewhere to tune that amp. And you don't NEED the H/o box that JL makes, just find a audio shop that builds boxes. I had one made for my Fi BL for 80 dollars flat, and it is a perfect box. Save the money, or even build it yourself. And please tune the amp.
I'm also going to call bs. You're going to exceed the mechanical and thermal limits, and are you going to buy the poor kid a new woofer once he goes and blows it? I don't think so.
I'm not saying HE could know what to listen for. But anyone that has had experience, can listen for distortion and anything about overpowering it.
It's not just distortion. Put an American Bass VFL500.1, USAmps AX-3200DE, JBL A6000GTI, Rockford Fosgate T15KW, MMats D3000.1, or an Earthquake PH5000W/D1 on that sub and it'll probably be blown before you even get a chance to start setting your gain, and many of those aren't even the beasts of their respective companies. You'll exceed the mechanical and thermal limits of the W7 and those amps will all but shrug it off. There are subs out there that can handle those levels of power, but the W7 is not one of them.
Also, this says nothing of the inaccuracy of the human ear as an audio test instrument.
Doesn't matter about distortion. JL does those ratings for a reason. The 750 watt is a thermal RMS. Anything above that can let off magic smoke and probably will destroy the woofer, and of course anything above 750 rms will void the warranty.
ok well i will go get the custom built box that this audio store made for the w7, its 199.00 and wonder if they will charge to tune the amp
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I have mine at 250 over RMS and I have to be really careful. It heats up really quick with a clipped signal.
You honestly could build your own box if you have the woodworking ability. Mine cost me $50 for materials.
if you know what your doing you can gererally exceed ratings on certain equipment and not have a problem. if your someone that doesnt know what the knobs on your amp are then you dont want to try and play that game.
and i would say you could run any amp on a sub and be fine. would it be a complete waste? yes, would you get any real benifits? no even a 10,000 watt amp hooked up to only play 1% volume is 100 watts. so you could play that amp fine. could you send it all the power. nope not on your life. but technically you could send it a small small percentage lol.
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Ryan Herbst wrote:Also, this says nothing of the inaccuracy of the human ear as an audio test instrument.
as to this, i'll take my ears to any test equipment anyday. test equipment can't tell me how i like my sound or what sounds good. all it can give me is numbers and graphs. your ears are the most important part of tuning any system.
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i just wish these boxes weren't so expensive, because i am not good at wood working or building for that matter, but i do know that a better box will make this thing sound better. Also one more thing, is it just my imagination or do subwoofers sound a certain way with the backseats up and/or down?
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Yup, they will sound different.
you are saying they will sound different with the backseats up or down?
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It'll sound different with the seats up than down. Heck moving the sub 3 inches left or right can also sound different. Just make sure to aim the sub back.
what do you mean by aim the back, have the sub face the trunk, or have the sub face the inside of the car?
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sndsgood wrote:Ryan Herbst wrote:Also, this says nothing of the inaccuracy of the human ear as an audio test instrument.
as to this, i'll take my ears to any test equipment anyday. test equipment can't tell me how i like my sound or what sounds good. all it can give me is numbers and graphs. your ears are the most important part of tuning any system.
I agree, test equipment will not tell you if your setup sounds how you want it to. However, even the best trained ear cannot accurately pinpoint distortion or amplifier clipping. By the time any person hears it, you are already well into those negative states, and they are damaging your components. Proper system setup should involve a combination of both test equipment and the end listener. The equipment will protect the system, the listener will perfect the sound.
