lol ok heres the deal. i got some racinging seats and brackets. just bought some 4 point mugen racing harnesses. i have no back seat, and have those lil metal tabs on my back dash still. i read up on an older post about what degrees to do and not do. mostly everyone saying not to put in racing harnesses unlessu have a roll cage... well i dont have money for that and was wondering what excatly would i need to do for the sholder straps. i know the more stright back the better but how? like do i take apart the back sholder seatbelt !d use the top as 1 point and the other point being that metal tab? or will it work if i use the 2 points were the rear stock lap belts were for my front sholder straps? or is that more then 20deg? sorry for typos im at work on my phone trying to type this without being seen lol. please help thx.
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Racing harness in a car without a cage is a great way to get yourself killed.
There is no proper place to mount the belts in the car without a cage.
So since you yourself said you don't have the money to do it the correct way, don't do it at all.
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He speaks the truth. Think of it this way, What does a harness do? Keeps you still in the seat. Guess what? You roll over your car and the roof comes down on your head, your not going anywhere but your head will.
ok
A) i didnt asked for stuff i already heard
B) the seats reclien
C) i dont plan i rolling my car when i only do like 35 tops to and from work thats less the 5 miles with like 100 stop lights. lol thanks for some what not answering me. i guess i will be figuring it out on my own. when i do il let u guys know.
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A) We are trying to offer you solid advise and keep you safe.
B) WTF does reclining have to do with it?
C) No one plans on an getting into an accident, that's why they are called accidents. Things can happen beyond your control.
This is a bad idea as you have read and been told.
If you think your life is worth risking for the "Oh look at me and my cool racing harness in a cavalier" effect then I feel sorry for you.
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I think bigfoot is blurry,
that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry. And that's extra
scary to me. There's a large, out-of-focus monster, roaming the countryside.
"Run! He's fuzzy!" "Get outta here!"
In Loving Memory of Phil Martin December 14 2005
i dont mean to sound like a prick or anything. im just not digging the whole "your gonna die and thats it" responces. i understand u dont want anyone to die, nobody does. but i asked what way i could do it with out the roll cage. i mean there is bound to be a way. i was just looking for idea on how. but its w.e.
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ninja bling wrote:C) i dont plan i rolling my car
Who does?
You don't have to be speeding to roll your car.
I've seen numerous cases, even in person, where someone gets t-boned in the right spot by someone running a red light, and when people run red lights generally they hammer the gas and are well over speeding... and they can actually quite easily send a car into a roll if hit in the right spot.
Accidents are called accidents not planned collisions.... for a reason.
Take the advice, its being given to you for a reason. If not, well it's your risk.
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That's the thing though, there is no proper way without a cage or rollbar of some form.
There is no safe place to mount them on the J body chassis without reinforcement i.e cage or rollbar.
I know you want to and already bought the belts but in all honesty you should just stick with the stock belt and ebay the harness or look into a roll bar or cage.
Just trying to keep you from getting hurt or killed over something stupid.
Not to mention harness aren't legal in most states for road use.
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I think bigfoot is blurry,
that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry. And that's extra
scary to me. There's a large, out-of-focus monster, roaming the countryside.
"Run! He's fuzzy!" "Get outta here!"
In Loving Memory of Phil Martin December 14 2005
ninja bling wrote:ok
i only do like 35 tops to and from work thats less the 5 miles
Sounds like you really need those "racing seats" and "racing harness"
There was someone making racing harness mount bars at one point in time from ny area. It mounted across the factory front seat seatbelt bolts and spanned the width of the car.
Yes but those aren't legal for most sanctioned racing bodies due to the fact the roof can still crush the driver.
While the harness bar will give you a place to mount them and work for show its not safe for actual use. You would still want to use the stock belt when driving.
I <3 JGM
I think bigfoot is blurry,
that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry. And that's extra
scary to me. There's a large, out-of-focus monster, roaming the countryside.
"Run! He's fuzzy!" "Get outta here!"
In Loving Memory of Phil Martin December 14 2005
rd fabs...used to make them I dont know if he still does. he didn't really state what purpose he was going to use the harnesses for or if it was for show.
Yea they were for show purpose only and they stopped making them due to liability of people using them for more then just show.
I <3 JGM
I think bigfoot is blurry,
that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry. And that's extra
scary to me. There's a large, out-of-focus monster, roaming the countryside.
"Run! He's fuzzy!" "Get outta here!"
In Loving Memory of Phil Martin December 14 2005
I was just about to mention the harness bars since no one else did. OEM makes one. I made my own. (And will NOT produce them for sale. Don't pm me asking for one, Simply because I don't need someone pinning a death on me if that happened)
I have a 4pt cam-lock harness in my car, Stainless harness bar, Stock seats, And stock seatbelts too. My harness only gets used on a track. EDIT: As Jeff also says, Most tracks won't pass a harness bar. But the places I go aren't very strict when it comes to that. Mainly small mom and pop auto-x's.
It is a complete show or function item. Not for daily driving. When I drive in the city, My harness gets tucked under my seat and I pull down the stock belt.
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Club Teh Jeffie wrote:That's the thing though, there is no proper way without a cage or rollbar of some form.
There is no safe place to mount them on the J body chassis without reinforcement i.e cage or rollbar.
Really? That Sucks.... See its not like i hate roll cages or anything im just broke and have no idea on how to even bulid a rollcage. whats the difference between a cage and a rollbar? rollbar just in the back seats?
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delete this thread plz thx
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Can anyone delete this thread? Admins please delete this thread. thx.
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Why would anyone use a 4 point harness? That's even worse than using a 5 or 6 point without a rollbar or cage. Using a 4 point harness screams- I am cheap and want to look cool.
Either way, yes, you can mount a harness in a car without a rollbar or cage (although it IS NOT smart to do so with some vehicles). Depending on what you plan on doing with the car, this may be a very feasible option. There are actually kits out there that allow you to do it using factory hardware for some cars.
This type of thing is in the grey area (similar to cutting springs) and is misunderstood by many people, in which case, you simply get the- "Don't do it, you'll die" answer. Yes, it can be done, but it has to be done PROPERLY, and only in certain vehicles. Can it be done in a 3rd gen without a harness bar? Yes, but it will take some fab work other than drilling a hole for a bolt or three. Is it recommended in a 3rd gen? Nope.
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I don't get how a 4 point says "I"m cheap and want to look cool"..
look my seats are already in, my decision, my life, my risk. someone delete this thread cuz im sick of seeing people bitch back andd forth with each other about this dumb question. this thread is just causing drama. plz delete if possible! thanks
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Mike wrote:I don't get how a 4 point says "I"m cheap and want to look cool"..
Because there is no sub strap. With only 4 points, you've eliminated the entire reason for the harness in the first place, which is keeping you in the seat.
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