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Im playing around with a few ideas and came across these. They are considerable cheaper than Carrillo/Pauter rods, but Oldskools problems with their valvesprings have me concerned. I know OTTP carries Carrillo LE5 rods, but recently OTTP's customer service has sucked at best(it took 2 months to get a simple tapped TB spacer and they didnt even include the gasket like they advertise).
Ok back to the rods. I know no one is running these or has specific experience with them, but to all the more experienced builders what are your thoughts?
its an old concept. time for something new to take the reigns. - Z yaaaa
I looked into these and decided based on ZZP's record of ailing parts that I know of did not want to take a $450+ risk.
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damn... not even zzp has a good name anymore?
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z yaaaa wrote:damn... not even zzp has a good name anymore?
idk they told people their springs could handle more lift/duration yet anyone who has aftermarket cams snaps springs, those on stock cams are fine.
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IamQwibby (Eco Meatcake) wrote:I looked into these and decided based on ZZP's record of ailing parts that I know of did not want to take a $450+ risk.
How far did you look into these? ZZP's record with us is what is worrying me too, but if the materials and processes that they use(or even if we could get a name of the company who makes the rods for them) are sound i see that the risk can be worth it.
ZZP wrote:ZZPerformance H-Beam Connecting Rods are forged from 4340 steel. All of our rods are magnafluxed, heat treated, stress relieved, shot peened, and sonic tested to ensure they provide the strength required for high horsepower applications. Our exclusive “no twist” machining processes guarantee the most accurate pin end to big end parallelism in the industry. We weight match all of our sets of rods to + or -1.5 grams to make balancing easier. Silicon bronze bushings are installed for use with floating pins. Bolt lube and torque specifications are included. ZZPerformance rods are also equipped with ARP 2000 bolts and are rated for 800 horsepower.
All that sounds good to me, but i dont know everything about what makes a rod hold 800hp.
its an old concept. time for something new to take the reigns. - Z yaaaa
So......what exactly is wrong with Eagle rods?
I have no signiture
nevermind, I'm an idiot...didn't read the LE5 part.
I have no signiture
Well they did make a 2.4 stroker for the lsj and it does make 400 something horse on the mp62 so... They cant be that bad. Just check the warranty or at least try to make them give you some sort of guarantee.
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yeah, Kyle, it does sound good, VERY good, but words on a website are nothing. We need to know WHO makes them. Look into K1 too, look up Jeffrey Reiland on facebook let him know I sent you, ask him about K1
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I see that K1 is a sub-company of Carrillo and that ZZP carries them, but they do not list what eco they are for.
its an old concept. time for something new to take the reigns. - Z yaaaa
contact the person I told you too, he can get you a set
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It sucks that their crumby valve springs make us have to second guess their other products, but you know the saying...fool me once. Rods are not something to fool around with IMO. Not that the money is meaningless, but, as you are aware, there is a good deal of time, effort and other expenses to install them. Should something be off or they fail, you will be out an entire build and at best they will refund the solely the price of the rods...not even shipping.
I curse those damn valve springs every time i see them come up. It's not just because of the cost of the springs (which was refunded less shipping), its ALL the time and headaches that ensued, to this day really. Sorry for the mini-rant, but it's something to think about when deciding on the seriously important parts
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So question is; be cheap and support a vendor who's not the best and possibly get a @!#$ty product. Or pay the big money to a know good company and get known good parts. Not saying ZZP is an ebay JDM company but you are right with the valve springs. But the valve springs are really their only product I've heard bad things about.
You could always try contacting K1 and getting the specs from them and see if they make sense.
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Leafy - i agree. They have a lot of happy customers with their LNF and LSJ turbo kits/upgrades. Their top of the line heat exchanger have some great reviews (even from Tinkles i think). I'm just not keen on their customer service and corporate responsibility.
oldskool (eco meatcake) wrote:I'm just not keen on their customer service and corporate responsibility.
But they are better than OTTP.
If a reputable company makes the rods for ZZP to slap their name on, then i dont see a problem with saving money.
its an old concept. time for something new to take the reigns. - Z yaaaa
but does someone make them for zzp?
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No, they are bought by ZZP from a general supplier of such parts, and then re-sold to the public, without mentioning the supplier's name.
ZZP does not have the facility or capability to design and manufacture connecting rods.
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Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:No, they are bought by ZZP from a general supplier of such parts, and then re-sold to the public, without mentioning the supplier's name.
ZZP does not have the facility or capability to design and manufacture connecting rods.
How about valve springs? LMAO!!
K1 makes LNF rods, and people are buying them but i have yet to see tests/results. They are all works in progress.
I sent an email to K1 technologies asking them if they had LE5 rods, and they answered me they had the LSJs wich they say only difference is that LSJs are 0.069" longer than the LE5, he said that custom pistons could be made with the wrist pin moved up .069" to allow for the longer rod. I undestand he can get me the customs pistons too with les price than if I get the carillo rods and winseco pinstons.
What do you guys think?
That sounds like the way to go. The tiny bit better rod to stroke ratio is a nice addition although you likely wont notice it at all.
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Carillo makes LE5 rods, albeit at a hefty price. IIRC their lowest option is $800
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ZZP has always been hit or miss, with that said I wouldn't trust a part this vital from them.
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