hmmm now that is one very good question. not many people run copper's around here.... well, on quads anyways so information is scarce.
i honestly would recommend doing head studs just because they are definitely a better option than the stock head bolts (which you'd have to buy new as well). this would be a better suited question for the quad 4 forums actually... i know there are some over there that have ran the titan before.
have you gotten you're block o-ringed?
Oldsmobile all motor > Saab/Opel boosted
When I ran copper on my LD9 I used studs. They said to tq it down to stock specs but it leaked all over. If I remember correct, we TQed the studs down to 95ftlb to get the head to stop leaking.
Also, after about 500 miles, you want to pull it apart and re-tq the studs down again....
-Karo
thanks karo the car is used as a dirt track racecar so it doesnt get miles put on just ran very hard for 16 laps every saturday nite.Ive blown 2 factory and one felpro head gasket this year have 4 more races to go and want something that will hold since im leading the points so i will get studs. The car is a 99 sunfire gt
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what sequence should i use for torquing the head down its is a factory bottom end motor with 110k on it the head is shaved 13 thousandts and the gasket i ordered is a 50 thousandts thick
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why not just go with a cometic? you can get them in .030 to get you a bit more compresion as well...
no o-ringed block or re-torquing of bolts proceedure nessary with a cometic.
Oldsmobile all motor > Saab/Opel boosted
HORNET12 wrote:thanks karo the car is used as a dirt track racecar so it doesnt get miles put on just ran very hard for 16 laps every saturday nite.Ive blown 2 factory and one felpro head gasket this year have 4 more races to go and want something that will hold since im leading the points so i will get studs. The car is a 99 sunfire gt
Try stock gasket with arp studs, and if the stock gasket fails try cometic before going to copper. Also make sure both head and block are 100% perfectly flat.
-Karo
already ordered the copper but could get arp studs and try the factory.What makes a factory gasket better then a felpro and it was a felpro blue i blew. It never turns much over 6000 rpm because it is an auto and it shifts into drive so i dont know what is making them blow very frustrated because im the only one that has any problems and i want a solution that works
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with the cometic will factory head bolts be ok just trying to please the boss so she isnt to irratated
My thinknig is if you are going through the trouble of pulling the head off, might as well just throw some studs on so in the future you can just reuse them.
But to answer your question, yes, they will work.
-Karo
I ran the SCE Titan ICS head gasket on my turbo saturn and you retorque the head after 1 heat cycle(start warm up and shut off...retorque when cold) If you do not do this...the head gasket will leak like hell(when i did mine the head wasnt even tight after 1 heat cycle) also head ARP head studs. No 500 mile crap with the SCE gasket...idk about the cometic though.
P.S. The SCE Titan ICS head gasket is the best head gasket made imo..super tough..not that expensive.
Edit: Z Yaaa....no orings required for the ICS..it has silicone seals around all water jackets...and its reusable
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You are correct, I cant edit my post or else I would. Its after the heat cycle you let it cool down and re-tq back again. SOrry about that
-Karo
ORDERED ARP STUDS AND TOLD THE BOSS LADY ANYONE HAVE BUNK BEDS FOR A DOG HOUSE LOL
Slowzee what did you torque to just factory specs or did you go more
For installation i torqued to factory spec, when i retorqued after heat cycle i did 10 ft/lbs extra. Dont forget before you install it to make sure the block and head are super super clean, and also I recommend:
4 to 5 coats of permatex coppercoat on the head gasket before installtion to help promote seal on any imperfections on the block and head make sure to let each coat each coat get tacky
before applying the next coat, About 5 minutes between coats.
Just dont forget to retorque the head after the very first heat cycle, if you forget you will blow the head gasket forsure.
do you coat the whole gasket
yes...both sides ...i hung mine from a wire hook on my engine hoist and did it..worked great
