Hello everyone! This is my first car I have planned out to be totally trailer babied and should be pretty fun! I found a local machine shop who has experience building some hellacious race motors. He told me totally built as far as he can go, it'll go to 10k and should be limited to 8.5-9k rpms. He estimated about 450 horsepower ALL MOTOR! He said it should hold a 175 shot of nitrous and that it should haul some ass! All he asked for was $1,500 for the machine work and all the engine internals! This has to be a good deal! The only thing I need is whether or not the tranny and axles will hold out or not... Also post if you have any thing to say on the subject... If your impressed, if you know how well i will run anything will be helpful!
First things First.... is it the ln2 oe eco??? if it's ln2 as im assuning good luck on 450 h.p. all motor not gonna happen easily & to say it will turn 8 to 9k rpm's...........
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mildly built 99' ln2, eagle h-beam rods, wiseco forged alum. pistons, cusco oil catch, t3/t4 super 60 garret, tial 40 mm wastegate, hp tuners, prothane mount inserts, 2.5" exhaust.
*watching and waiting...
the OHV sounds like it wants to blow at 5500 rpm...I cannot imagine the chunk of change it would take to let it rev to 9k rpm
The eco on the other hand, could easily be made to rev that high, but to produce 450 bhp (about 380 to the wheels), ALL MOTOR, is going to require sky high CR and a crazy cam, not to mention jet fuel. But if its trailered, you could run race gas from the strip all day long i guess...
Oh, and to give you an idea of what I mean,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_car
A Formula 1 2.4L V8 revving to 18000 rpms only makes roughly 700-780 hp, and a little over 200 ft-lbs of torque. If that shop can make a NA 4cyl with less displcement and higher rotational inertia make 450hp at 9k, then they really need to start building Formula 1 engines.
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"Youth in Asia"...I don't see anything wrong with that.
i could see atleast 300 hp coming from the eco, i mean look at what p.j. is accomplishing, but for $1,500 i wouldn't count on it staying together for a matter of seconds......
hondas are like tampons.....every pu$$y needs one...
mildly built 99' ln2, eagle h-beam rods, wiseco forged alum. pistons, cusco oil catch, t3/t4 super 60 garret, tial 40 mm wastegate, hp tuners, prothane mount inserts, 2.5" exhaust.
Yah, It can't be the LN2. BS I know that motor pretty much like the back of my hand, and there is no way, even with 20 psi of boost, it will break past 400 hp, let alone 450. I've been around a long time, and even adler, who i believe had the most powerful 2.2 didn't reach that. It may have been close to 400hp, (or perhaps that was Karo's car)... Either way, $1,500 in machining will probably buy you a hone (or overbore) and the misc machine work, and labor to assemble the block.
Yeah it is the older 95' motor and it will have increased displacement he's gunna sleeve the block and he said possibly get a 2.5 liter outta the 2.2 block... I had the head done crazily over done and it rapped to 8k before the bottom end finally gave out after running it for a month or two... I know it rev'd high it wasn't a dog it had actualy wrapped quick since we've had it. This guy who's building it is shaving the deck hieght, bore it and sleeving it out, turning the crank, putting 12:1 forged pistons in it and eagle H-Rods and new race bearings in it. he said to expect 400 whp outta it.... so I guess I'll see.... if these help clarify the engine's potential tell me! Or if you know what the motor will do with that in it that'd help too!....Ohh almost forgot, I was also getting a fidanza flywheel and taking the motor to a shop to balance the crank to the flywheel at 10k... or atleast 8500-9000...
What were you using to tune the engine, and what did you have done to the head? And what are the specs of the cam you were using? I have got to see this....
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I haven't figured out what to use to tune it, as far as the head goes it has been ported and polished about as far as possible, valve springs were shimmed up and we got sturdier springs as well.... but the cam i have no idea what the cam will be because the guy is from the way it sounds is just gong to weld on the stock one and add lift...but I dunno if i should find one online or just do that yet nothing is definite it was just as much as possible he said he could get out of it... he's also been known to get 350 hp outta little 2.0 toyota's so....who knows....
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IMPO 250whp tops.
WITH nitrous !
and the price is rediculus ...1500 for machine work AND internals??? theyre nuts ..its gonna cost you 2k$ in internals alone if your gonna do crank,rods,pistons,etc...then machine work on TOP of that..forget it..not gonna happen..i wouldnt go to that shop anymore man they are setting you up for a BIG let down
Sleeving the block may help, but you gotta remember the LN2 block is NOT aluminum like other Toyota's or imports. It's a strong Iron block. F'in heavy too. Anyways, my point is that if he's sleeving it, the sleeves should be stronger then iron, otherwise it's a waste. They may well be, and that's a good thing. That does help the strength. Also, there's no way you going to even get the car to run unless you have a way to tune it. The car MAY start with the stock ECU, but you can bet it's going to run a bit weird. Are you changing injectors to compensate for the larger displacement? If so, the stock computer will no be able to compensate for that. You'd need to turn down the fuel pressure. I have the 95 block, and with that ECU, you can't use HP Tuners, or anything else. Only good option for a full race engine is to get a full standalone unit like Megasquirt. That's what I'm doing.
Also, welding on the cam to add lift....??? are you serious? I hope it at least gets grinded down again so all the lobes match. Somehow though, i don't see that being strong.
Also, if he's shaving the deck height AND shimming the springs... you are going to have some valves hitting pistons if you are not careful. I speak from experience on this one. There should be no reason to increase the shims under the springs, especially if you have stiffer springs. Those things are going to bind!!
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450 N/A out a 2.2 OHV? BAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAH
son, your going to need a power adder of some sort to even achieve half that hp with an OHV, regardless of how many 'race' parts are installed by your machinist.
um isn't the ohv of fury a pushrod motor or have i woken up on another planet?
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well all i want to say is how the hell do you expect to make a pushrod motor turn 9k rpm's without bending pushrods????? and another thing...........weld in your cam????
hondas are like tampons.....every pu$$y needs one...
mildly built 99' ln2, eagle h-beam rods, wiseco forged alum. pistons, cusco oil catch, t3/t4 super 60 garret, tial 40 mm wastegate, hp tuners, prothane mount inserts, 2.5" exhaust.
I'm confused... Your car revs to 8k already, but you dont know what to use to tune it?
$1500? I haven't done anything in regards to performance but read and I know that's probably a tad bit optimistic lol
thats crazy my ln2 that i just pulled from my 98 only reved to 7k rpms and that was fully built !!! and why would you want to rev that high being that your losing power after 6k rpm's without any head work??
hondas are like tampons.....every pu$$y needs one...
mildly built 99' ln2, eagle h-beam rods, wiseco forged alum. pistons, cusco oil catch, t3/t4 super 60 garret, tial 40 mm wastegate, hp tuners, prothane mount inserts, 2.5" exhaust.
Oh sweet Jesus.... Only on jbody will you find people like this.
I am going back to bimmerforums....
