hey i'm wondering for all you guys out there with a 2200 engine from 97-99 what would be the next upgrade to do to my car im sick of it always being called slow.... even tho it sorta is... i have a 1999 pontiac sunfire SE with the 2200 obviously i have a short ram intake and cat w/ catback exhaust i have it semi chipped out with one of those resistors in the intake port. i have a stage hotter plugs in there to handle the fuel i have amsoil 5w30 in there and yes i did notice a difference in power..i also have a slightly cooler 170degree thermostat my temp stays at about 165-170 even getting on it hard.. well... im wondering the next steps... options include lifters, springs, valve guides and @!#$ cuz i need to replace my valve cover gasket.... header cuz my flex pipe is leaking... also looking at poss. ignition coil but nothing really wrong with them so wondering if any difference would be noticed... or possible REAL chip upgrade as far as ECU is concerned... it is a 3 speed automatic too i flushed the trans and put mineral oil in there wondering if i should pop synthetic in there to if it would make a difference as the oil in my engine did... well thanks for reading this novel get back to me on what i should do with this thing.... later
Header, and motor mounts would be your best next bolt-ons.
you can't chip obd2
take that ebay resistor iut of you iat sensor that should be your next upgrade
after that header motor mounts and roller rockers really help
then as far a not making it slow Built head rebuilt motor and good amounts of boost
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Roy Niemann wrote: also looking at poss. ignition coil but nothing really wrong with them so wondering if any difference would be noticed... or possible REAL chip upgrade as far as ECU is concerned...
The coils will not do that much. It will only help if your coils are going bad and to help bring back what was suppose to be there.
I would consider opening up the head. What year is the engine?
To clarify the 98-02 is the 2200
The 95-97 is the 2.2
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Yeah, remove that ebay resistor. Like said above, with OBD2, you can't "chip it".
A couple things...
The 2200 motors were from 98-2002, the 2.2 OHVs were from 95-97.
That "semi-chip" is crap, just take it off. What you're probably doing is sending more fuel that you don't need and running rich. Like said before, you can't chip our OBDII computers.
As far as doing the valvetrain, that would be a good idea. The key to unlock power in the 2200 is to upgrade the whole valvetrain, you'll notice very good gains from doing that. I mean upgrade the valves, lifters, retainers, springs, pushrods etc.
You can find all those parts at
www.jbodyperformance.com.
Remember, this isn't cheap to do, if you're going to attempt to do motor work, make sure you do it right. If you don't know anything about doing motor work, take it to a professional. Also, while you're upgrading your cylinder head parts, you should go for a Port & Polish. Patriot Performance sells a bare 2200 Cylinder Head that is ported out. Check it out on their site:
www.patriot-performance.com
If you have anymore questions, just ask.
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how do i tell my car that its running at a cooler temp and can put more fuel into it then without the resistor so i can attempt to get more power out of it...and im wondering if roller rockers are really the best sollution and if they can be put under a stock valve cover or if i have to machine the inside to house them... im looking for something bigger as far as power gains... and if anyone knows as well if i'd gain from going from 195/70/r14 tires to 195/60/r14 let me know... thanks guys... later
Roy Niemann wrote:how do i tell my car that its running at a cooler temp and can put more fuel into it then without the resistor so i can attempt to get more power out of it...and im wondering if roller rockers are really the best sollution and if they can be put under a stock valve cover or if i have to machine the inside to house them... im looking for something bigger as far as power gains... and if anyone knows as well if i'd gain from going from 195/70/r14 tires to 195/60/r14 let me know... thanks guys... later
How do you tell if it's running cooler? The temperature outside.
One thing you should understand is that more fuel doesn't mean more power. Your car runs at a certain ratio called an "Air to Fuel Ratio". When you have too much fuel, you will be running Rich. When you don't have enough fuel, you'll be running Lean. When you have the right amount of fuel, you're running Stoich. With your type of, you don't need to worry about fuel yet and your stock computer should be supplying enough fuel. It's when you start to alter your air flow when you need to check on how much fuel that is being supplied.
Yes, you can put aftermarket roller rockers on an otherwise stock valvetrain, no machining should be needed. What I am suggesting to you is to buy all the valvetrain parts and have it all done at once because your cylinder head is the biggest restrictor on the OHV motors. Do it right the first time is my suggestion.
As far as tires go, it's not always neccesarily the size tire you have, it's more about how good the traction is. I would say for more tire advice to go into the Wheel & Tire Forum.
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If you would like a good idea of what kind of parts that are out there for the 95-97 2.2 OHV motor, just look in my registry. I have every bolt on there is, except for forced induction.
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ya know, i hate to be a jerk, but this topic has been discussed DOZENS of times before (i would know, because i've read and posted in those discussions). Try searching.
Seeing as you're auto, the 3spd has some advantages over the 4 spd (mainly more available final drive ratios, and an actual physical valvebody that can be easily modified by a good trans shop). Look into getting a higher stall converter, shift kit, and regearing for better acceleration.
In auto setups, just trans work can make a much bigger difference than minor engine mods. My biggest piece of advice though is to either put research into building the motor with high compression, and aftermarket cam, and ported head, or go turbo. Don't blow money on bolt ons that will only give minor gains until after you've secured the bulk of the power you want. What most people spend on simple bolt-ons that generally only net at most 15-20 hp gains (and thats being generous) is often enough money to piece together a turbo kit if you take the time to research and look for deals.
So hit that search button and start reading!
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ALright i just saw the older grand prix or grand ams had 2.0 turbos im wondering if the mani's from there and turbo systems would work on the 2200 and if we can use any vette parts on the valve train for instance i heard the ls1 roller rockers could be used to give us a 1.8:1 ratio... is there any truth to that also 3 speed tranny what can i do to boost that performance and hard shifting im looking for anything im a very expirienced mechanic but in DSM's and american muscle this scene is new to me... let me know
Roy Niemann wrote:ALright i just saw the older grand prix or grand ams had 2.0 turbos im wondering if the mani's from there and turbo systems would work on the 2200 and if we can use any vette parts on the valve train for instance i heard the ls1 roller rockers could be used to give us a 1.8:1 ratio... is there any truth to that also 3 speed tranny what can i do to boost that performance and hard shifting im looking for anything im a very expirienced mechanic but in DSM's and american muscle this scene is new to me... let me know
If it's the same 2.0 that they had in the sunbirds, no they won't fit.
Best thing you can do to your 3 speed is work the transmission by upgrading the parts or do a transmission swap because that will be your biggest downside.
If you're serious about doing a turbo system, spend the money for quality parts, that's my suggestion to you.
and the corvette roller rockers thing...I have no clue.
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That patriot head you mention. Are you sure that's not for the 95-97 2.2. Doesn't look like the "2200" chambers. Thanks.
Dustin McCall wrote:That patriot head you mention. Are you sure that's not for the 95-97 2.2. Doesn't look like the "2200" chambers. Thanks.
I'm 90% sure it's for the 2200
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headers and take off that ebay resistor go with full exhaust change flex pipe and cats
Called Patriot Performance today. The head works with the '97 and older 2.2's.
