I am swapping the stock 2.2 for the 2200, and I don't want to hear anything about (why don't you swap in the 2.4 or the ecotech) I don't want to mess with all of that and I need my car back. What I need to know is what exactly has to be modified on my stock 2.2 wiring harness? Also I need to know what to do about the egr valve from the stock 2.2 since the 2200 does not have an egr valve.
Is there anything else I need to do to finish the swap?
Thanks
Tom
I have the feeling that you may need the new ecm and wiring harness from the newer engine. Don't hold me to this though, I havn't looked over the wiring diagram or anything.
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If you really want to put this new motor in your car, you will need to install the egr. I have no idea what it looks like, but your 96 computer will need an egr signal. The MAP sensor will have to be changed to the one that fits the 2200 intake manifold;The MAP on the 2200 is in between the TB and the intake manifold inlet. The fuel injector wiring harness will have to be modified to work with the "Top Feed" fuel injectors. The coolant temp sensor will need to be lengthend to reach its new location to the pasenger side of the motor on the upper coolant tube. The wiring for the ICM will have to be lengthened to reach its place on the back side of the head near the ABS module, or you can leave the ICM in the stock position as the 96 motor has it mounted. Everything else should bolt right up. You may also need the coolant reservoir from a newer cavy that has two overflow inlets near the cap. I think that covers it all. Have fun!
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it will be ohh so much easier to use the 2200 wiring harness and pcm. it will go alot easier. instead of having to trace problems through the wiring harness. the only thing i doesnt work right, but can be made to work is the gas tank evap system.
yo need to get your ass to the junk yard, buy the wiring harness for a 2200, 2nd the 2200 doesn't have a egr, instead itjust has a hose that attaches to the 2200 air box,,,, if you look at any pictures of the engine you can see that. oh and by the way since you think that the egr in most any car produces a signal or has a sensor, i would be willing to bet you don't even know what the egr is for
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ready it is to let the interior of your motor breath so that the gases that escape from your cylinders to build up and turn your engine into a bomb, and for enviromental purposes... now tell me do you think there is any logical reason that there would need to be a sensor on that....... didn't think so
if there is a problem any gases that are producedin excess will cause an imbalance in the exhuase gas,,, and if that much is coming out of your egr then you have a problem
Alright Sinrocker,
Do you even know that the egr valve on a 96 2.2 is electronic(hello moron)? It is wired into the system for one reason when the evap system senses too much pressure it tells the computer to open the egr valve instead of just having it vacuum controlled.
Find out what the F$%^ you are talking about before you dog on someone you dont even know!!!
Why do you think people dont get on here and ask questions very much?
well anyway just dont diss someone b/c you think you know everything!!!!
Tom
sinrocker wrote:yo need to get your ass to the junk yard, buy the wiring harness for a 2200, 2nd the 2200 doesn't have a egr, instead itjust has a hose that attaches to the 2200 air box,,,, if you look at any pictures of the engine you can see that. oh and by the way since you think that the egr in most any car produces a signal or has a sensor, i would be willing to bet you don't even know what the egr is for
waiting.................
waiting...............
ready it is to let the interior of your motor breath so that the gases that escape from your cylinders to build up and turn your engine into a bomb, and for enviromental purposes... now tell me do you think there is any logical reason that there would need to be a sensor on that....... didn't think so
if there is a problem any gases that are producedin excess will cause an imbalance in the exhuase gas,,, and if that much is coming out of your egr then you have a problem
ok cock puffer, i do not know who you are talking to but know one asked your goofy ass to come up in here talking @!#$. the guy just asked a few simple questions and doesnt need some @!#$ "know it all" telling him whats what.
Its my understanding you can keep the PCM and wiring. You have to splice in the injector harnesses from the 2200 on to your engine and do the cooland wire and stuff.
If you do decide to get the wiring for a 2200 out of a junk yard, I would suggest a 98. 99's and up came with digital clusters and I don't know if anything was changed.
the 99 will work in a pre 99 car, i did the swap in my 97 cavi. everything works like it should except for the evap system. you can fix that with putting a 98 up tank in your car with the evap canister on it . i have just yet to do it.
What is up with the evap? cant I just use my evap stuff off of my 96? for the other motor?
I am going to just splice in longer wires!!
And is there any way to trick the Egr plug into thinking it is there?
like a resistor or something I can put in there.
Thanks for all the help guys especially,big Rey, Ryan Martin, and Zach thanks guys I appreciate it!
Tom
1TwistedCavy wrote:I am going to just splice in longer wires!!
And is there any way to trick the Egr plug into thinking it is there?
like a resistor or something I can put in there.
Tom
There are egr simulators.
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Yes, you can also take the donor car's harness and computer, I just prefer the lazy way around it all. I have been doing a 2.2/2200 hybrid. Mainly just the head off of a 99 2200 on a 95 2.2 block, but I have been frustrated by my inability to make contact with the person I purchased a performance rocker kit from. So I am reinstalling the original parts the cavy calls for. I do have pics of my old progress, I just need to upload and find a place to host the pics
1TwistedCavy, Thank you for your positive feedback for my response to you!
I don't appreciate people saying you don't need egr, what do you think it's there for, it's a time bomb;
. I do Emissions testing in Arizona, I know what I'm talking about, don't insult someone you don't know, it's rude and uncalled for.
If YOU don't understand what your talking about, I suggest you do research before posting ignorant replys. It's not appreciated and that is why the J-body.org is the way it is.
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1TwistedCavy wrote:
Do you even know that the egr valve on a 96 2.2 is electronic(hello moron)? It is wired into the system for one reason when the evap system senses too much pressure it tells the computer to open the egr valve instead of just having it vacuum controlled.
evap and egr are not even related . Evaporative emissions control and Exhaust Gas Recirculation .evap does not control egr.
So don't be so quick to flame.
P.S I'm not trying to be a dick ,
Big Rey, what did you do about the Egr valve on yours??? any ideas on what I should do?
Tom
Well, since my cavy is a 95 2.2, it has vacuum operated egr. Converting to the non-egr intake manifold is easy because the vacuum operation no longer has to operate; And since there is no egr signal out of the computer, no egr is necessary. If you want to run egr-less, go with the egr sim mentioned above. I don't recommend it for emissions purposes, but I'm just saying you should look into what you can and cannot do to your car.
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Re wire car, weld in new tranny mounts and start it up. Look at my reg. for parts list.
so pics of swap here.
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1995 Cavalier W/2k1 Engine
GM S/C 13.940@99.78pmh w/2.068 60ft
Hey man, I got the head off a 2001 2200. I own a 95 2.2 block. Can you give me some personal info that could help me ? like the cooling system, (thermostat, injectors etc) will the injectors off my 95 work in the 00+ intake? I appreciate your time.
Mark Stapleton wrote:Hey man, I got the head off a 2001 2200. I own a 95 2.2 block. Can you give me some personal info that could help me ? like the cooling system, (thermostat, injectors etc) will the injectors off my 95 work in the 00+ intake? I appreciate your time.
Mm.. well it depends. If your running 2k1 wiring, you'll need all 2k1 sensors etc. Injectors b/c 2k1 pcm would run diff injectors vs 95 side feed ones.
Nate
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1995 Cavalier W/2k1 Engine
GM S/C 13.940@99.78pmh w/2.068 60ft
Won't you also need the trans since the 00 has the Getrag and the 97 has the Isuzu??? Just a thought, not sure if that is right or not.
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The solution to your EGR problem would be to pick up a '98 2200, they came with EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) and dont worry about the evap purge solenoid, I just removed mine and blocked off the vacume port on the TB
'99 2200 LS CX1 Sport
See, problem is, I have the 2001 2200 head. I am using a 95 2.2 block. I have a 95 car, and engine now. I am not looking to change the pcm and @!#$. Anymore info?
Mark Stapleton wrote:See, problem is, I have the 2001 2200 head. I am using a 95 2.2 block. I have a 95 car, and engine now. I am not looking to change the pcm and @!#$. Anymore info?
'ok. Don't know if there is any pros to using a 2k hed. If you want to use use that head..pretty sure you'll have to use those injectors..that pcm to run injectors, the wiring..etc.
Nate
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1995 Cavalier W/2k1 Engine
GM S/C 13.940@99.78pmh w/2.068 60ft
If you change to a 2200 head, you will also need the intake, throttlebody, exhaust manifold, all that stuff. The 2200 has different placement of the ports and the flange bolts don't line up the same as the older 2.2 engine.
I've already checked these things, the only side that chages is the intake, and I've got it. The exhaust is the same, on all 2.2 engines.
