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cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:40 PM
well i went to start up the car today and well it started but sounded like a Subaru, i knew a cylinder wasn't firing so i felt the exhaust manifold. 1 and 2 were hot but 3 and 4 weren't, saying that when standing in front of the car they are numbered 1234. i don't know what to do, I've changed coil packs wires and plugs and still no change, i have no idea what it would be, the plugs are wet when i take them out so i know that its getting gas, so its not an injector problem. does anyone have a diagram of the firing order too? my car is a 2000 sunfire with the 2200. help would be greatly appreciated, and yes i searched but didnt come up with jack for my situation really.


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Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:53 PM
firing order is 1342
Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:15 PM
and what order do they connect to the coil packs


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Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Monday, September 22, 2008 12:28 PM
i checked spark today and its getting spark cylinder 3 started up again and now its just down to cylinder 4 its got a good spark cause it shocked the hell out of me . heres a vid of what its doing if i can get it to work. i just ordered a used controll module off ebay so maybe thats it. i guess i wont find out till it gets here

LINK
misfire





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Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Monday, September 22, 2008 12:29 PM
misfire

there i think it worked that time


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Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Monday, September 22, 2008 1:54 PM
dead coil maybe
Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Monday, September 22, 2008 1:56 PM
already changed them, even swapped them around and no difference



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Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Monday, September 22, 2008 7:47 PM
that sounds pretty bad, have you checked the compression across all cylinders? and check the injectors even though their wet doesn't mean there getting enough fuel out of them.
Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Monday, September 22, 2008 9:30 PM
swapped injectors 1 with 4 and it is still in cylinder 4 so i know its not the injector


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Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Monday, September 22, 2008 9:30 PM
think it would be the control module?



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Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:47 AM
it could be an ICM, crank sensor, bad compression (which as mentioned, I highly recomend you check now), al lkinds of things.

you need some real diag done sounds like. Thats basically impossible over tha interwebz.





Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:27 AM
well i changed the crank sensor yesterday, to no avail still misfire. im going to try to get a compression test done today, really hoping its not a burnt valve, cause i dont have the time to fix it or the cash for a motor swap like i want to do.


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Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Saturday, September 27, 2008 7:32 AM
did you take off the filter to make the vid or is that how you always have it. possiblity somethin may got in there if thats how you normaly have it.



Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Saturday, September 27, 2008 12:50 PM
yes i took it off cause i sprayed some carb and choke cleaner down there. did a compression test yesterday.....all equal across the board so its not a valve. controll module still hasn't arrived yet so im still waiting on that.


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Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Saturday, September 27, 2008 1:05 PM
With the waste spark system that our cars use it seems odd that it would be a control module in this case. In other words if cylinder 1 is sparking so should cylinder 4, same with 2 & 3. Especially since you've ruled out coil packs. Have you checked or replaced the plug wires? Your wire could be good enough to give you a shock but the spark isn't strong enough to ignite under compression.



Re: cylinders 3 and 4 dead?????
Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:06 PM
plug wires are like 2 months old. i ran it at nite too to see if there was any visible sparks but nope. i will try plug wires too while im waiting on the ICM.


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