This is more of a general question, however I have an example of what I mean. Take the women priest issue, you constantly hear people say well it's 2005 get with the times. I know things will change with time but if a rule of the religion which ever it may be says something is wrong/not allowed then so be it accept it or change religion. I believe that everyone as long as they are consenting adults can pretty much do what ever they want but if you choose a religion accept it's rules.
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I dont think so seeing as I dont think the Bible wont change
if you limit religion to christianity, then probably not, even though the christianity in all it's forms now is most likely NOT what Jesus was preaching.
However, in other forms of religion, they are meant to evolve and work around limitations and adaptations in "modern" life.
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I don't see how religion can "evolve" on a basic level. Evolving in this case seems to insinuate changing to suit economical/cultural changes that most certainly are affected by the times. I don't think religion should follow suit, unless it has to do with precepts or ideas not integral to the basic tenets of said religion.
I find myself reminded of prohibition and the jockeyed stance the government took on the issue. If religious leaders are petty enough to modify traditional beliefs in the attempt to gain popular standing, well what would that say about said person/affiliated religion?
Really the lines need to be drawn about how you mean religion might evolve; on a basic level or on more superficial lines... Also about which religion you wish to consider..
The woman priest issue may have ties into traditional beliefs held by certain religions, while for others it might seem more of a cultural tradition based on trends not really set by religious precepts. You see where I'm going with this...
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Its been evoleing for as long as people have been around. I don't see very many virgins being offered up to the Gods anymore. In fact human sacrifice is kind of going
thru a slow time as of late as well. Its been years since I've been to church but the last time I was there I can't say as I remember any goats, pigs, or other animals being offered up either. Inquizisitions have had a down turn as well. Now you can turn on t.v. on sunday morning and stay home and go to church at the same time. So I think religion has been evolving the whole time.
As for the Bible being the end all of religion because it was written by men from when Jesus was alive and we should blindly follow its teachings. Um no, it has been re-writen by the church so much that you have absoluely no way in the world to know what its supposed to say. Also how about all the different books and letters that have been left out? The church put what they wanted in there to try to control people as much as they could. The Bible does have alot of good things in it but I would sure like to see the things the church decided to leave out.
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There will always be groups that stick with the basic rules and follow the bible (or what ever) to the letter. But as for the majority population, religion evolves with the time.
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Religions do evolve as time progresses, but like everything else, religion was "better" in the good ol days.
If religions don't change with the times and the people, they're doomed to exist in the past.
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Religion doesn't really change or evolve. People evolve it and change it to what they deem is okay. Now days, you don't find too many people that are as religious as they once use to me... myself included.
So Gam it was better how far far back? I'm sure your making some virgins out there very nervious by saying this.
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I put better in quotes...
the good ol days:
- protestant ministries banned inter-racial marriages (till about 1965ish)
- the church sanctified radical national fascism (in 1938)
- Priests were the only ones of a village that could read, and visited when you were about to die, and give a gentle push to avoid the fire of hell by buying your way out with your entire estate... then you got last rights.
There's more, but then again, the word is written down, and only as immutable as the people that posess the word now, want it to be.
HE who controls the present, controls the Past.
HE who controls the past, controls the Future.
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Well, it all depends, though, again, many of you are limiting religions to be Christianity, or at best, biblioreligions, which are not the end-all-beat-all of religious doctrine in the world.
But really, the question of religion changing has to go to the heart of said doctrine--thats the part that really can't be changed (although, in the major religions, the vatried bibles, torahs, and qurans are proof that it has--or at least that the subject is in debate). For a lot of terrareligions, it's far more adaptable because the heart of the religions is simple and is meant to be adapted for given living conditions. However, the stricter and the more inflexible the heart is, the less it's adaptable.
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Even Christianity evolves on more subtle levels. For example, in the Bible it says someone shouldn't wear gold, or something like that. Well, back in year 100's gold was worth a extreme amount of money. Now, it tips your audio cables.
Now, if you're a literalist, don't wear gold. If you're practical, don't be P. Diddy.
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So your saying good old Doc. Brown controls the world?
And I'm just glad to see your not sharpening any sacrificial knives there Gam. I'm sure
the virgins out there (both of them) can breath a sigh of relief.
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it should but it wont
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i think it should. evolving with time = changing in order to adapt to current environment/way of thinking/ whatever u wanna call it. and as we all know, change, for the most part is good. Its people that refuse to change and keep their prehistoric ways that keep us from moving forward. I believe highly religious people should really get out from under the rock theyre living, and see that this world has changed drastically, especially in the past 100 years. Just like chemistry, schools can not keep teaching the same chemistry that was taught 100 yrs ago. If theyd do that, we would still have people trying to make everything into gold, and trying to make a light bulb. We have changed our eductaion system, and we have progressed. same applies to religion, or anything in general, in order to progress, change needs to occur.
No I dont think religions should evolve with time. I know that they do evolve with time to keep people a part of the religion. If people were actually true believers of the religion then they would follow it strictly. If you believed in something else than what your religion is teaching you then a group should branch off and "create their own religion. This is why I dont like religion because it seems everybody just does their own thing or just "evolve" the religion if it doesnt fit their personal agenda
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But how can 2 people possibly share the same preception of reality when it's impossible to have "walked a mile in their shoes", so-to-speak?
My take is this--in order to be still consider part of the "root" system of dogma, you have to follow the base form of said dogma--in the case of Christianity--the Bible. Now, As long as they follow what the bible says, everything outside of the concept of the bible as it was originally written is fair game for adaption. Meaning? It doesn't matter if your church is a cave, an open area, an old house lit by candles, a massive cathedral, or a modern church with a sound system and electricity--the bible doesn't really say what can and can't be used for a holy house. Hence, the adaptation.
The more open-ended the religion, the easier it is to adapt. If you follow the wiccan tenet (Do whatb ye will and harm ye none), you can adapt that any way necessary for your life as long as you follow that tenet.
However, the more constrictive religions will eventually die out and be replaced as more "modern" ones supplant them. The less restrictive ones may not gain thye mass following, but tend to last in some form a long time.
IMHO that is
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But how can 2 people possibly share the same preception of reality when it's impossible to have "walked a mile in their shoes", so-to-speak?
My take is this--in order to be still consider part of the "root" system of dogma, you have to follow the base form of said dogma--in the case of Christianity--the Bible. Now, As long as they follow what the bible says, everything outside of the concept of the bible as it was originally written is fair game for adaption. Meaning? It doesn't matter if your church is a cave, an open area, an old house lit by candles, a massive cathedral, or a modern church with a sound system and electricity--the bible doesn't really say what can and can't be used for a holy house. Hence, the adaptation.
The more open-ended the religion, the easier it is to adapt. If you follow the wiccan tenet (Do whatb ye will and harm ye none), you can adapt that any way necessary for your life as long as you follow that tenet.
However, the more constrictive religions will eventually die out and be replaced as more "modern" ones supplant them. The less restrictive ones may not gain thye mass following, but tend to last in some form a long time.
IMHO that is
I see what you are saying but isnt the principle of religion to follow what a higher being says is right? If the higher being says something is wrong and society changes and decides that what was wrong to do in the past is now mainstream and ok then how is it that the populace can change the rules laid down before them?
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I see what you are saying but isnt the principle of religion to follow what a higher being says is right? If the higher being says something is wrong and society changes and decides that what was wrong to do in the past is now mainstream and ok then how is it that the populace can change the rules laid down before them?
That is what I was trying to ask. Sure killing virgins is wrong, most of us know this. The thing is if a god an all knowing being says thats what it wants why would we not do it? There is the fact that most religions based on a sacred text and rules were written by humans and most likely changed by humans. With that in mind we should be carefull as to which rules we follow. If we or the people in charge decide that something is the word of god should we change it just to be fair?
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Not al religions have to do with a supreme being, sentient or not.
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My bad I hadn't really though of the "godless" religions
AmazingJay
We can change our understanding/interpretation of the word, but the word is unchanging. This basically means to me that there is some flexability withing whatever religion, but it is limited. Some things will never change, there just isn't enough "wiggle room".
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