Here is the debate. 4500K or 5000K? I can't decide. Discuss.
2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Limited
1999 Cavalier Z24 Supercharged
1999 Grand AM SE (Beater Car)
1997 GMC Sierra
2007 Honda CBR 600RR
2005 Honda TRX450R
For reason's unbeknownst many people are unable to make choices for themselves. This is none more evident than in the automotive hobbyists, many times they will turn to the internet, today's best place for the popular vote, asking questions such as 'Should I get a 4500K or 500K HID headlight conversion?"
This is where what seems as the worst in society and the best of society will shine through. There will be numerous individuals that may try and help by suggesting their personal preference to the poster on why one output is better than the other. The problem here is that most of the people that will read have absolutely zero real world experience with anything and will be stating opinions based on someone else's opinion that most like has no experience either.
Commonly the difference of opinions will lead to a "Flame war" wherein alternating opinion makers will insult and or belittle those of the opposite or differing opinionated group. Generally this will lead to one individuals ostricization from the collective group.
ToBoGgAn wrote:For reason's unbeknownst many people are unable to make choices for themselves. This is none more evident than in the automotive hobbyists, many times they will turn to the internet, today's best place for the popular vote, asking questions such as 'Should I get a 4500K or 500K HID headlight conversion?"
This is where what seems as the worst in society and the best of society will shine through. There will be numerous individuals that may try and help by suggesting their personal preference to the poster on why one output is better than the other. The problem here is that most of the people that will read have absolutely zero real world experience with anything and will be stating opinions based on someone else's opinion that most like has no experience either.
Commonly the difference of opinions will lead to a "Flame war" wherein alternating opinion makers will insult and or belittle those of the opposite or differing opinionated group. Generally this will lead to one individuals ostricization from the collective group.
Wow. Just wow.
Did I mention I drive a 2000 Lumina now?-----wigm-tuners.org member
Both are on the higher end of light output, and are good choices. Depends on what you want.
The 5000k kit will give you a slightly more blue tint in the headlight itself, and a very small amount on the road, but both will offer a very bright, white output. Slightly purple with the 4500, slightly blue with the 5000, but basically bright, beautiful white light, and lots of it.
The 2 are so close, there isnt much of a debate to be had.
ToBoGgAn wrote:For reason's unbeknownst many people are unable to make choices for themselves. This is none more evident than in the automotive hobbyists, many times they will turn to the internet, today's best place for the popular vote, asking questions such as 'Should I get a 4500K or 500K HID headlight conversion?"
This is where what seems as the worst in society and the best of society will shine through. There will be numerous individuals that may try and help by suggesting their personal preference to the poster on why one output is better than the other. The problem here is that most of the people that will read have absolutely zero real world experience with anything and will be stating opinions based on someone else's opinion that most like has no experience either.
Commonly the difference of opinions will lead to a "Flame war" wherein alternating opinion makers will insult and or belittle those of the opposite or differing opinionated group. Generally this will lead to one individuals ostricization from the collective group.
No, it's people like you that start flame wars. And I didn't ask 'Should I get a 4500K or 500K HID headlight conversion?" as you said. I asked for people to debate what they thought of each. I will make my own decision, thank you very much. It's people like you who make the JBO community worse and worse. So if you have nothing to contribute to my thread, GTFO.
2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Limited
1999 Cavalier Z24 Supercharged
1999 Grand AM SE (Beater Car)
1997 GMC Sierra
2007 Honda CBR 600RR
2005 Honda TRX450R
John Benham wrote:Both are on the higher end of light output, and are good choices. Depends on what you want.
The 5000k kit will give you a slightly more blue tint in the headlight itself, and a very small amount on the road, but both will offer a very bright, white output. Slightly purple with the 4500, slightly blue with the 5000, but basically bright, beautiful white light, and lots of it.
The 2 are so close, there isnt much of a debate to be had.
Thanks John, that's exactly the response I was looking for. I wasn't sure if there was a big difference in light output between the two. Looks like I will go with the 5000K. Thanks again!
2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Limited
1999 Cavalier Z24 Supercharged
1999 Grand AM SE (Beater Car)
1997 GMC Sierra
2007 Honda CBR 600RR
2005 Honda TRX450R
ToBoGgAn wrote:For reason's unbeknownst many people are unable to make choices for themselves. This is none more evident than in the automotive hobbyists, many times they will turn to the internet, today's best place for the popular vote, asking questions such as 'Should I get a 4500K or 500K HID headlight conversion?"
This is where what seems as the worst in society and the best of society will shine through. There will be numerous individuals that may try and help by suggesting their personal preference to the poster on why one output is better than the other. The problem here is that most of the people that will read have absolutely zero real world experience with anything and will be stating opinions based on someone else's opinion that most like has no experience either.
Commonly the difference of opinions will lead to a "Flame war" wherein alternating opinion makers will insult and or belittle those of the opposite or differing opinionated group. Generally this will lead to one individuals ostricization from the collective group.
What was the point of this post? Sigh...
" To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous. "
^To state in a roundabout way that the OP needs to search, there are numerous topics and pics simply on Google that show the difference between the two.
John W(Ranger1316) wrote:^To state in a roundabout way that the OP needs to search, there are numerous topics and pics simply on Google that show the difference between the two.
Well maybe I wanted the opinion of some JBO members that I respect, like John. I trust him more than asking some random person on some random website. And pictures don't show the difference very well. I know a lot of people on this forum who have seem them in person, have used them, and could give me a good idea of what to expect. So as I told the other guy, if you have nothing useful to contribute, stay out of my thread. I got my question answered, that's what I wanted.
Jeez, what has happened to JBO lately? 5 years ago, people weren't so worthless and rude. It really makes me sad to remember what the JBO used to be like way back when. Probably why I don't frequent this site much anymore. It's sad because a lot of the knowledgeable guys are getting turned off from JBO, me included. We need their/our experience and knowledge to keep this place going... :-(
2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Limited
1999 Cavalier Z24 Supercharged
1999 Grand AM SE (Beater Car)
1997 GMC Sierra
2007 Honda CBR 600RR
2005 Honda TRX450R
JBO is cyclical.
It goes round and round from everyone is cheery, helpful, and rainbows out thier butt to all threads replied with a "search newbie" reply.
Im used to it all by now.
And I definitely dont take anything on here personal....sept for if you say you dont like my car, then I will hunt down your family, and anyone you have ever cared about, and do unmentionable horrors to them.
But other than that, I am a stand up guy
I wish it wasn't so damn cyclical
Oh well. Thanks again John!
2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Limited
1999 Cavalier Z24 Supercharged
1999 Grand AM SE (Beater Car)
1997 GMC Sierra
2007 Honda CBR 600RR
2005 Honda TRX450R
Cursed Cav (Luke Heier) wrote:
No, it's people like you that start flame wars. And I didn't ask 'Should I get a 4500K or 500K HID headlight conversion?" as you said. I asked for people to debate what they thought of each. I will make my own decision, thank you very much. It's people like you who make the JBO community worse and worse. So if you have nothing to contribute to my thread, GTFO.
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Did I mention I drive a 2000 Lumina now?-----wigm-tuners.org member
4500 is more yellow than purple... hope this helps.
Yes, that does help. Thank you Steve.
2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Limited
1999 Cavalier Z24 Supercharged
1999 Grand AM SE (Beater Car)
1997 GMC Sierra
2007 Honda CBR 600RR
2005 Honda TRX450R
Sorry you got a trouble hook stuck up your butt there but regardless when you post on even the JBO you are still asking random people the same question, you just have a less than random site. Yes the point of my post was that there is always an option to search which you never eluded to doing, there are fewer posts more worthless than a title and a short snippet or 2 of minimal information followed by the word "discuss".
That says "I am too lazy to look so somebody tell me", regardless of whether you did or not actually do some research past seeing different ranges of light output on some random website.
FYI
Cursed Cav (Luke Heier) wrote:Here is the debate. 4500K or 5000K? I can't decide. Discuss.
It appears the only question you asked was "I don't know which HID kit to get, which one should I get?"
Cursed Cav (Luke Heier) wrote:I didn't ask 'Should I get a 4500K or 500K HID headlight conversion?"
I will admit, I should have gone out of my way to check your registry to see if you had already listed an HID conversion in your list of current mods and then done some research to find your current light output if it was not listed to see if you were just changing out to a different output, I guess I was a little to quick to judge without searching first, my bad.
IMHO the JBO has not changed in the last 5+ years past the normal ebbs and flows of members who actually participate, what has really changed is the perception of members. When older members feel "butt hurt" or insulted all of a sudden the site has changed, the sky is falling, waa waa. Regardless of whether you will admit it or not if this thread was started by someone else you would have most likely no vested interest or have posted in it past something like "subscribed" or "listening".
So in summary, good luck on your lighting decisions and I would suggest a 2% dibucaine topical for your pain. Now I will go shoot rainbows out of my ass, good day all.
Steve W wrote:4500 is more yellow than purple... hope this helps.
These are the same pics, with color applied to them, which is why the car changes color with the headlights. In the real world 4300 is almost pure white on the road, and a purple hue in the headlight, 4500 is slightly more blue/purple in the headlight, but light output remains almost pure white. 5000 gives the light on the road a slight blue tint, as well as in the headlights.
Your chart helps those looking for general info, but when someone is asking the differences between 2 colors only 500k apart, it doesnt do it justice.
I hate to break it to you, but 4500k is a white color, no purple.
Then how about this picture...
All you have to do is research a little.
Steve W wrote:I hate to break it to you, but 4500k is a white color, no purple.
Then how about this picture...
All you have to do is research a little.
John Benham wrote:These are the same pics, with color applied to them, which is why the car changes color with the headlights. In the real world 4300 is almost pure white on the road, and a purple hue in the headlight, 4500 is slightly more blue/purple in the headlight, but light output remains almost pure white. 5000 gives the light on the road a slight blue tint, as well as in the headlights.
Steve, i hate to break it to you but reading comprehension>you.
All you have to do is read a little.
And your new "research", aka chart, is the same as the other being just photoshopped with a hue overlay.
^^^ agreed, its the same color overlay, just done better.
I have installed lots of HID systems, and 4500k is an oddball number.....infact not even shown in either of your "researched" pictures. You can tell that everything is a color overlay because the output light, and the headlight color are the same. In the real world, the color shown in the headlights is not the same as the output light on the road. Otherwise most factory HID equipped cars (most @ 4300k) would give you purple vision.
I don't doubt your experience. All I am suggesting is that if your trying to tell him that there is a PURPLE tint to a 4300k or 4500k bulb, the bulb must be coated with a film or a bulb from china.
I've done multiple mutliple retros for people here locally and maybe it's because I use OEM equipment, but no bulb that I have installed that is 4300k has the slightest purple hue.
Even the philips 5200k bulbs that I have in my cobalt have just a slight blue, but still far from purple.
I think there is also a significant difference in how the headlight is diffused, projectors will look different than a reflector housing, which will look different than a standard diffuser.
Also, the light put onto the road on both colors is going to be very white, as stated, with slight tints of different color. Im not talking driving down smurf road.
And I am not saying the bulb itself has a tint, just the light emitted from it.
ToBoGgAn, as I said before you are contributing nothing to my thread. Stay the hell out. Others are contributing and discussing as was intended.
2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Limited
1999 Cavalier Z24 Supercharged
1999 Grand AM SE (Beater Car)
1997 GMC Sierra
2007 Honda CBR 600RR
2005 Honda TRX450R
Cursed Cav (Luke Heier) wrote:ToBoGgAn, as I said before you are contributing nothing to my thread. Stay the hell out.
Actually he is contributing
How much more info do you need
He isn't contributing anything useful or towards the topic of discussion. I got everything I needed to make my decision,thanks.
2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Limited
1999 Cavalier Z24 Supercharged
1999 Grand AM SE (Beater Car)
1997 GMC Sierra
2007 Honda CBR 600RR
2005 Honda TRX450R
Lol WOW, you do realise the diffrence in Kelvin will give you such a small decrease in Lumen output that it's a stupid arguement?
Go here-->http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=7&i=358512&t=358512
/another HID thread.
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