I've found posts here saying that the voltage output was different and that it will throw codes, and other posts saying that it works just fine.
Does anyone have a definitive answer? The ones talking about codes were some really old posts so I'm wondering if their kit has been updated or something.
Can you replace the OEM O2 sensor with the Innovate wideband kit and run one of the outputs to the ECM, or do you need to run both sensors?
I havent installed mine yet, but was reading up on it. The posts ive seen say they get a slow response code when they run just the wideband, but if you read the innnovate instructions, it says you can adjust for this. The only thing it says it cant do is replace sensors that use resistance for sensor reading.
Yes and No, it has a sim but I have heard some people say it still will throw a code.
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I have not done it, and would not, but I have a LC-1 and it is programable, so I see no reason you can't.
FU Tuning
Why not do it then? Wouldn't it be convenient?
Wild Weasel wrote:Why not do it then? Wouldn't it be convenient?
I wouldn't because using it everyday will wear the sensor. Also it has to be re-calibrated every so often (to do so it has to be removed from the exhaust flow to free/clean air). For me using it as my primary O2 sensor does not make sense, for others it might.
FU Tuning
I tried it when I first installed mine. I asked people everywhere and no one could tell me what to program the innovate to satisfy the stock PCM. I just recently welded a 2nd o2 sensor bung in the downpipe and put the stock sensor back in...............bye bye CEL
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John Higgins wrote:Wild Weasel wrote:Why not do it then? Wouldn't it be convenient?
I wouldn't because using it everyday will wear the sensor. Also it has to be re-calibrated every so often (to do so it has to be removed from the exhaust flow to free/clean air). For me using it as my primary O2 sensor does not make sense, for others it might.
Does this mean you don't just leave it in all the time? You just put it in to do tuning and then remove it when you're done? Is there a plug you screw into the bung to seal it up?
I just figured I'd put it in and leave it there.
Wild Weasel wrote:John Higgins wrote:Wild Weasel wrote:Why not do it then? Wouldn't it be convenient?
I wouldn't because using it everyday will wear the sensor. Also it has to be re-calibrated every so often (to do so it has to be removed from the exhaust flow to free/clean air). For me using it as my primary O2 sensor does not make sense, for others it might.
Does this mean you don't just leave it in all the time? You just put it in to do tuning and then remove it when you're done? Is there a plug you screw into the bung to seal it up?
I just figured I'd put it in and leave it there.
Correct I do not leave mine in all the time. I do some tuning on other cars. Yes you can get a bolt to screw in, or in my case I used a old 2 sensor (just cut the wires off).
Again for my use leaving it in all the time is not best for me. Others it might.
FU Tuning
you have to calibrate it once after 3 months and after that once a year. not hat bad, but im curious to know how many other people use it for tuning only and take it out.
weasel....it comes with a bung and a plug
What do you do with it to calibrate it?
theres a wire that you have to ground while the sensor is out of the exhaust. it takes a few seconds to do its thing and then its done. not hard
most people will get a slow code for the o2, since the wideband acts differently than a narrow band sensor.
I dont know how to calibrate the LC-1 if thats what you have. I have the LM-1 ....I hit a button.
i have the lc-1 in mine. to calibrate it you expose it to open air and since i have the xd-16 gauge... i can just hit the rec button 3 times and it calibrates. my kit came with the o2 bung and a plug to screw into the plug if i choose to remove the sensor.
you can calibrate the lc-1 by grounding the wire (or in my case using the momentary push button switch) after the car has been off at least 8 hours. thats enough time to equal a free air calibration.
i leave mine in all the time.. on my 2nd sensor now after about a year.
on using the wideband to simulate a factory o2... i havent heard any great success stories. not to mention that if the power is interrupted to your battery you need to reprogram the lc-1.
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Jason Z24 wrote:you can calibrate the lc-1 by grounding the wire (or in my case using the momentary push button switch) after the car has been off at least 8 hours. thats enough time to equal a free air calibration.
i leave mine in all the time.. on my 2nd sensor now after about a year.
on using the wideband to simulate a factory o2... i havent heard any great success stories. not to mention that if the power is interrupted to your battery you need to reprogram the lc-1.
so you have replaced the wideband o2 within a year??
whiteboyz24 wrote:Jason Z24 wrote:you can calibrate the lc-1 by grounding the wire (or in my case using the momentary push button switch) after the car has been off at least 8 hours. thats enough time to equal a free air calibration.
i leave mine in all the time.. on my 2nd sensor now after about a year.
on using the wideband to simulate a factory o2... i havent heard any great success stories. not to mention that if the power is interrupted to your battery you need to reprogram the lc-1.
so you have replaced the wideband o2 within a year??
The sensor wear will depend solely on the application. Some things to consider......how rich is the car running?
Is the sensor in the exhaust all the time?
Is the bung in the proper position in the exhaust pipe?
Any other mechanical defects in the car that are causing something to discharge into the exhaust?
What is the exhaust tempurature?
All those things and more will play a role in sensor life. At least the innovate you can buy a replacement sensor at the local parts store for about $50, and I have seen them online as low as $35.
I have the plx devices wideband, and i use it to simulate the narrow band sensor, and i haven't had a CEL, but my car is 95, and the original sensor was only a 1 wire sensor anyways. probably not hard to duplicate the signal. The plx devices assumes 0-1 volt narrow band. It seems to have worked.
John Benham wrote:whiteboyz24 wrote:Jason Z24 wrote:you can calibrate the lc-1 by grounding the wire (or in my case using the momentary push button switch) after the car has been off at least 8 hours. thats enough time to equal a free air calibration.
i leave mine in all the time.. on my 2nd sensor now after about a year.
on using the wideband to simulate a factory o2... i havent heard any great success stories. not to mention that if the power is interrupted to your battery you need to reprogram the lc-1.
so you have replaced the wideband o2 within a year??
The sensor wear will depend solely on the application. Some things to consider......how rich is the car running?
Is the sensor in the exhaust all the time?
Is the bung in the proper position in the exhaust pipe?
Any other mechanical defects in the car that are causing something to discharge into the exhaust?
What is the exhaust tempurature?
All those things and more will play a role in sensor life. At least the innovate you can buy a replacement sensor at the local parts store for about $50, and I have seen them online as low as $35.
I have yet to find them for this price locally, and cheapest online was $70 shipped.
FU Tuning
i have my lc-1 wired up on my 2.4 now in place of the stock and no problems at all. Didn't even change the settings since it is already programmed for narrowband. It was in my trans am though for 3 months and it was running rich then put it in my mainly stock 2200 sunfire last summer and is still in the same car now but with a 2.4 now.
And i still am using the orignal sensor that probably has 25,000 miles on it now. And i seem to have gotten a lil better mpg well about 2 but that is still a plus in my book.
^^^^Do you have a header? The thing im concerned about, is if i use the wideband for both, it will be be reading only one cylinder. I have the DC 4-2-1 and the stock O2 is on one of the primaries. Wouldnt i be better off putting it dwonstream to read all cylinders??
yes, it would be better downstream. DC should have not made a header with the sensor in a single pipe.
my RK sport header was the same. O2 in one of the primaries.
John Higgins wrote:John Benham wrote:whiteboyz24 wrote:Jason Z24 wrote:you can calibrate the lc-1 by grounding the wire (or in my case using the momentary push button switch) after the car has been off at least 8 hours. thats enough time to equal a free air calibration.
i leave mine in all the time.. on my 2nd sensor now after about a year.
on using the wideband to simulate a factory o2... i havent heard any great success stories. not to mention that if the power is interrupted to your battery you need to reprogram the lc-1.
so you have replaced the wideband o2 within a year??
The sensor wear will depend solely on the application. Some things to consider......how rich is the car running?
Is the sensor in the exhaust all the time?
Is the bung in the proper position in the exhaust pipe?
Any other mechanical defects in the car that are causing something to discharge into the exhaust?
What is the exhaust tempurature?
All those things and more will play a role in sensor life. At least the innovate you can buy a replacement sensor at the local parts store for about $50, and I have seen them online as low as $35.
I have yet to find them for this price locally, and cheapest online was $70 shipped.
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and yes, they still honor the 1 year warranty.....I asked already.
I must have skipped it somewhere, but I was interested in getting a wideband sensor and I can't seem to be able to find out if you have to get 2 because of the Primary sensor and the secondary, or do you just get one and put in the Primary's location? That being said; wouldn't it cause a mess of problems using a wideband, and then keeping the narrowband style in the secondary location? Or would it be better to get a device that just measured Air/Fuel without having to alter the O2 sensors?
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